Re: What exactly is in a simmons beautyrest black? - Good_Sleep
Feb 22, 2012 3:18 PM
I agree with Catherine. I think you are just as well served with a world class with the heavy gauge coil. A friend just got one awhile back and he loves it. I love the feel of BR nxg. I asked our local dealer about the BR black bed (because Sleep Country was really pushing me on them), and she says them and Macys have exclusives on them. They also have very high exclusive prices on them, I noticed. Assuming since their world class beds were $700 more than the local dealer. I wouldn't get to caught up in all the fancy lingo and exotic materials they describe. Last I checked the world class was about $1499 in the store. BR black was more than twice that. No thanks. Theres way better beds out there at that price point. Stearns & Foster estate line might be more similar to the...
Re: What exactly is in a simmons beautyrest black? - st3v3k4hn
Feb 23, 2012 9:21 AM
I agree with both of you that decent, thick springs will last, even on an S brand. The issue is that most S brands use so much cheap poly foam over the springs. My hope was that the higher price for the black line meant less cheap foam, more things like latex and wool. But I can't confirm this. Which is frustrating!
The Tomahawk firm looks like it has 2" of foam - one for comfort, one for quilting. That will probably last pretty well, although its clearly going to be a firm bed, not good for side sleeping. Are you planning to add a topper?
steve
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What exactly is in a simmons beautyrest black? - st3v3k4hn
Feb 22, 2012 11:42 AM
I know people here don't like the S brands, but in shopping I found that I really like the simmons br black Ava/Carmen mattress. I'd really like to know what's in it. The dealer and the Simmons website say there is some latex and some poly foam (renew foam and transflexion foam) in the mattress but I can't find anything with details. How much of each? How firm/soft? What exactly are those foams? I'm assuming that's too much poly foam to last but I sure would like to know the deets. I'm looking at the cushion firm btw. Even US Mattress couldn't give me details, they said its proprietary (the black line isn't even listed on their website, had to call, they carry it but can't give any info about it, weird).
Thanks for any help...
steve
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Re: Readily available mattresses with "Reverse Zoning"? - st3v3k4hn
Feb 20, 2012 4:16 PM
Which Sealys have zoned springs? I haven't seen any. (As far as I can tell, their "CoreSupport" thing is just foam, not different springs.)
Maybe you could try to get the effect with some cheap PU foam, to see if it helps, before trying it with more expensive stuff (latex, whole new mattress). Won't be exactly the same feel, but it might give you an idea.
You're right about Sealy, I misread their info online. I was at Macy's today and tried their DSI springs (because I saw you liked them). The sales person corrected me about the coresupport thing then. By the way, I really didn't like the sealys, they just felt cheap and were not comfy...
Re: What exactly is in a simmons beautyrest black? - Catherine
Feb 23, 2012 9:46 AM
I agree with both of you that decent, thick springs will last, even on an S brand. The issue is that most S brands use so much cheap poly foam over the springs. My hope was that the higher price for the black line meant less cheap foam, more things like latex and wool. But I can't confirm this. Which is frustrating!
I agree; it's very frustrating that companies want people to fork over a lot of dough but aren't forthcoming about specs.
I doubt very much that the Black line will have less cheap poly foam than the other lines, but it'd be nice to be wrong about that.
The Simmons Beautyrest World Class Wheaton Luxury Firm looks like it might be OK, but you'd want to check the coil gauge. That page says 14 right...
Re: What exactly is in a simmons beautyrest black? - Catherine
Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM
Even US Mattress couldn't give me details, they said its proprietary (the black line isn't even listed on their website, had to call, they carry it but can't give any info about it, weird).
That is weird!
As far as I know, the distinctive thing about the BR Black line is the super-sturdy pocket coils. Simmons calls them Variform Advanced Pocketed Coils. (Maybe you already saw that page?) There are "triple-woven" springs -- 3 wires wrapped around each other and acting as one -- interspersed with their regular pocket coil springs.
Other than that, I don't know. I'd expect retailers to be able to give you details if they want the sale.
I just bought a Simmons myself, but a much cheaper one (the Tomahawk Firm at us-mattress; has 13-gauge coils).
I'd think...
Re: What exactly is in a simmons beautyrest black? - JasonRatky
Feb 23, 2012 10:40 PM
I know people here don't like the S brands, but in shopping I found that I really like the simmons br black Ava/Carmen mattress. I'd really like to know what's in it. The dealer and the Simmons website say there is some latex and some poly foam (renew foam and transflexion foam) in the mattress but I can't find anything with details. How much of each? How firm/soft? What exactly are those foams? I'm assuming that's too much poly foam to last but I sure would like to know the deets. I'm looking at the cushion firm btw. Even US Mattress couldn't give me details, they said its proprietary (the black line isn't even listed on their website, had to call, they carry it but can't give any info...
Re: Best king size Matteress for 2K - JasonRatky
Jan 17, 2012 9:03 PM
"What's the best king size mattress for 2k? I really like the plush tops"
American Sleep Organic Latex $1,898
Beautyrest-Black Desiree Plush-Firm $1,871
Suggestions assuming stated budget doesn't include foundation, mattress only. But if i had $2k to spend on a mattress, I'd buy one of the factory seconds Simmons Blacks at a discount warehouse for around a thousand, in at least plush firm to get their highest gauge single strands, then rip off the top & put four to six inches of nice latex over the advanced pocket coils. Lot of hassle & wouldn't look nice though. Just really impressed with those triple woven coils, if not 3 1/2lb memory foams etc.
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Common Sense Shopping... I hope! (a little long) - GuyMakesSense
Dec 16, 2011 3:36 PM
I have been in the mattress industry about 5 years and like some of my colleagues (definitely not all) I find much more joy in having fewer exchanges and a greater number of phone calls from my clients 2-3 months after purchase saying, "I really am sleeping so much better! Thank-you!" To get to this point in my Sleep Consultant career, here is my method (which you should expect to take you 45 - 90 minutes depending on your needs, issues, differences of opinion between you and your partner, finances, etc.
- Triple Choice - Most mainstream stores set up beds in three's. A Firm, a Soft or Medium and a Pillow-Top. Finding which of these three you like best will help you eliminate 2/3 of the...
Re: What exactly is in a simmons beautyrest black? - lpeters
Mar 2, 2012 5:49 AM
We had looked at the same mattress in the firm. Even moved forward with the purchase. Then got home that evening and thought we should look at the reviews. Wow, there were so many bad ones (many, many more than good ones), that we decided to cancel our order. At $2500 with delivery, etc., we had hoped this would be the holy grail of mattresses. The reviews state otherwise, as it seems the longevity is really poor.
I suspect part of the issue is that there's really no internal structure to hold the coils in place. just pocket against pocket. That, and the foam is really cheap and doesn't last long. While we loved the feel in the store, I feel much better having explored other options.
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