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Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - Leo3
Dec 20, 2009 6:14 PM
Let's say I add another 1 to 2" of latex (firmer layer) to my already 4 3/4" layers over my spring mattress.  If it is firm enough and you actually are not sinking into that layer then 5-6" is not too much is it?  I am just thinking about people who actually say they are comfy with 2 to 3" over their spring mattress.  I have never been that person who was able to get away with only 2 to 3" I still sink to the hard spring mattress.  I guess if it was firm like 36ILD or natural latex that is even denser (thanks for the education on that) then that wouldn't compromise my back or make me feel like I am sinking would it.

I wish I knew the winning combination for my hips to not be in pain and wake me up after 1-2 hours.  I can't stand...
Re: About to add a layer - eagle2
Dec 21, 2009 2:16 PM
sandman wrote:
You should be able to get blended or 100% natural talalay or dunlop from sleepez.  Their prices are good, but they do charge $49 per order for shipping.  It is hard to know exactly what ILD will be right for you.  It seems that trial and error is the only way.  

Note that latex will feel different than the memory foam.  The memory foam seems better at pressure relief (molding to the body), but since the ILD is so low it does not offer as much support.  However, I once tried 3" of memory foam on top of 6" of XF latex, and it felt pretty good.

Kimberly, since the top flobed layer is convoluted, the effective firmness is less.  They told me it is around 14, since half of the latex is cut out.  That is just an approximation though.  I wish that flobeds had more options for the...

Re: About to add a layer - eagle2
Dec 21, 2009 8:53 AM
Mark all I can tell you is that I have been going firmer over the last almost 90 days with my all natural Talalay FlowBeds.

I weigh 210 pounds and am 6' 2". The side of my bed that is sleeping the best has a 3" extra firm piece on the bottom with two firm pieces over that, topped off with a 2 inch convoluted pieces of soft Talalay. Having a bed with a zipper on it, so that I can move the layers around is a tremendous advantage, coupled with the ability to exchange layers for 90 days.

I have found that firmer is better for me....
Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - eagle2
Dec 20, 2009 10:26 AM
sandman wrote:
Eagle, would you say the difference between the blended and 100% natural (assuming 1 firmer on the blended) is significant or pretty minor?  Not sure if I should try a XF piece of 100% natural.

I have been going firmer over time.  Currently F over XF over XF.  Tha is the firmest I can go with the pieces I have. Even that might feel like I am sinking in too much with the convoluted layer and a thicker mattress pad (for temperature control).   I think 1" of something might work better than the convoluted for me.  Or perhaps SF on the bottom layer.


Sandman I have forgotten, do you have an all natural or a blended latex FlowBeds?

Regarding your question "would you say the difference between the blended and 100% natural (assuming 1 firmer on the blended) is significant or pretty minor?" It all depends on the individual. I'm assuming you're...
Re: About to add a layer - KimberlyH
Dec 21, 2009 10:52 AM
I'm not going to jump into the density debate, but I can state that I am close to your weight and height, and three layers of extra firm blended Talalay at 36 ILD, with a convoluted topper of  . . . I think it's 28 ILD, provides excellent support with no bottoming out.

I don't know anything about the company you mention, but I wish I'd known about it when I was mattress shopping, as the prices seem a little better than Flobeds and they are within reasonable driving distance of where I live.

It looks from their FAQ that they are using 100% natural latex from LI, which is a good thing.

The only concern I have is whether you can specify exactly the ILD you want.  They, like some other firms, seem to break their latex into broad categories of "soft," "medium," "firm," "extra firm."  I would want to specify the...
Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - KimberlyH
Dec 20, 2009 10:51 AM
Leo3 wrote:
Kimberly, You have 3 layers of 36ILD, which is less than 8", but I thought you said your mattress is 10".  Do you have another layer there?

I got samples of 28 and 32 ILD of Talalay Latex from Sleep like a bear.  I wanted to get a sample of 36, but they didn't have any.  I think that may be what I need.  I have (from Overstock which doesn't list ILD) 1 1/2" of firm latex (perhaps 44?), 1 1/2" of 24ILD Talalay (that was marked) and 1" 21ILD (Natura latex) and  1" cheap memory foam.  I need something more for my hip area, my shoulders are good.  I think this may be too soft, but I have no back pain so it isn't too soft.  The reason I think it is too soft is I feel trapped (sunken) by latex around the legs (below hip...
About to add a layer - markbnh1
Dec 21, 2009 7:08 AM
Hello all,

I've been reading this forum ever since I bought my new latex mattress from a local mfg.  As you recall, I returned a "medium" latex mattress and got a "firm" from this company in Massachusetts.   I found that I was bottoming out on the 8 inch "medium" mattress.   They claim to use only Talalay Latex from Latex International.  I assume this is blended rather than all natural, but they don't say.   The firm mattress which I kept is a bit TOO firm for me with 6 inches of "40 ILD"  under 2 inches of "32 ILD"....all enclosed in a permanent cotton/wool cover.   I have added an old 2" piece of memory foam which helps immensely and I've been sleeping pretty well on this setup.

However, sometimes I still feel like I might be "bottoming out" with this bed (I weigh 265 lbs) though it's hard to tell if I'm just hitting the...

Re: About to add a layer - sandman
Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM
You should be able to get blended or 100% natural talalay or dunlop from sleepez.  Their prices are good, but they do charge $49 per order for shipping.  It is hard to know exactly what ILD will be right for you.  It seems that trial and error is the only way.  

Note that latex will feel different than the memory foam.  The memory foam seems better at pressure relief (molding to the body), but since the ILD is so low it does not offer as much support.  However, I once tried 3" of memory foam on top of 6" of XF latex, and it felt pretty good.

Kimberly, since the top flobed layer is convoluted, the effective firmness is less.  They told me it is around 14, since half of the latex is cut out.  That is just an approximation though.  I wish that flobeds had more options for the top level - they probably...

Re: About to add a layer - sandman
Dec 21, 2009 10:31 AM
I think you are the right track that you need a couple more inches of latex above the firm.  I assume by bottoming out that you feel like you are hitting something hard below your hips?

I think it will depend on whether you still plan to use the memory foam on top.  If you do, then I think the medium (24-28 ILD?) might be too many soft layers on top and you will probably sink in too far.   The medium might be okay without the memory foam.  That is my estimate from experiencing the blended talalay.  The 100% natural might be more supportive, but I still think that plus the memory foam will be too soft (especially for someone your size).

Firm might work if you keep the memory foam topper.  Even one likes a different feel, so pretty hard to say from the outside.  Ideally you could get both the medium and firm and...

Re: need to decide by fri on replacement matress - budgy
Dec 22, 2009 8:26 PM
Dormia makes an interesting product, although I think you may also want to consider the Sensation by Natura if you can find a dealer in your area....similar beds really (memory foam on top of latex base).  the difference is the natura will also have a layer of wool on top for a little bit better temperature regulation.  pricing should also be similar.  i don't think either one (dormia or natura) is likely to cave in a hurry.  or consider going to an all latex build in a firmer feel, that would be likely even more durable....question is if you find them comfortable or not....

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