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Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - Leo3
Dec 20, 2009 9:35 AM
Kimberly, You have 3 layers of 36ILD, which is less than 8", but I thought you said your mattress is 10".  Do you have another layer there?

I got samples of 28 and 32 ILD of Talalay Latex from Sleep like a bear.  I wanted to get a sample of 36, but they didn't have any.  I think that may be what I need.  I have (from Overstock which doesn't list ILD) 1 1/2" of firm latex (perhaps 44?), 1 1/2" of 24ILD Talalay (that was marked) and 1" 21ILD (Natura latex) and  1" cheap memory foam.  I need something more for my hip area, my shoulders are good.  I think this may be too soft, but I have no back pain so it isn't too soft.  The reason I think it is too soft is I feel trapped (sunken) by latex around the legs (below hip area).  By the way...
Re: Essentia - eagle2
Dec 20, 2009 9:33 AM
essentia wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I see there's a lot of confusion over our product. I thought i'd help answer a few questions.

We invented a latex memory foam and manufacture it ourselves. Yes, It's a latex foam that feels like memory foam. It's not Dunlop or Talalay, it's our own process. So it has the properties of memory foam..delayed response, pressure relief etc but it's made from rubber tree sap. We call it natural memory foam because most don't know what latex foam is.

Other latex mattresses are topped with wool or cotton to soften the surface, we use our natural memory foam. The mattress ends up being more comfortable than latex alone as it's far more pressure relieving. It's also much more breathable than memory foam....night and day. Breathability is just not as issue with us.

Yes we are relatively new but our product is outstanding and we're doing very...
Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - eagle2
Dec 19, 2009 4:36 PM
One of the reasons that I requested a blended piece of firm latex, was to have my own personal very small test between it and all natural.

I found that the blended piece of firm felt quite similar to the medium piece of natural. And keep this in mind about my natural piece of medium latex. It is on the lower end of the range for medium. It's actual ILD rated by Latex International was 26.2, as I recall. FlowBeds had actually put a sticker on it saying that it was 28 ILD. The medium rating for natural is 26 to 30 ILD. So my piece is at the very bottom of the medium-range and only 2 pounds from the top of the natural soft range.

The feeling that I had, upon first laying on the blended piece, was that it felt a little firmer than the medium piece. But after laying...
Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - eagle2
Dec 19, 2009 3:39 PM
sandman wrote:
Yes, but I agree with you that it would be nice to have more information on the performance differences.  Perhaps too hard to quantify and too subjective.  Even some generalties like 100% natural is denser so it should have more suport for heavier people.  Or blended less dense so it is more plush feeling, etc. 

There seems to be little information out there to make an informed decision with.  Tthe party line that I seem to have heard is that the performance in basically the same.


Sandman: My personal belief is that blended latex exists because it is less expensive to produce. When you stop to think about it 70% of this product is petrochemical. Petrochemicals can be manufactured and purchased at a much reduced price over natural, from everything I can find on the Internet about this subject. Plus the fact that you do not have the potential international difficulties...
Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - eagle2
Dec 19, 2009 9:42 AM
sandman wrote:
Eagle, I remember that flobeds told me that the 100% natural was also a bit thicker than the blended.  So. that might account for some, but not all, of the difference in weight.  I believe sleepez told me once that the blended and 100% natural had the same density.  Could have been someone that did not know and just threw out an answer. 

It might be worth calling Latex International to see if there really is a density diffrerence and how much.  It could also be that every batch might be a bit different.  Hard to see that accounting for the difference you have though.


Sandman: I understand your confusion and reluctance to accept at face value this evaluation regarding density between blended and natural latex.

However, I would be very hesitant to accept SleepEZ's statement that there is no difference as they seem to prefer blended. As you can...
Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - sandman
Dec 20, 2009 9:55 AM
Eagle, would you say the difference between the blended and 100% natural (assuming 1 firmer on the blended) is significant or pretty minor?  Not sure if I should try a XF piece of 100% natural.

I have been going firmer over time.  Currently F over XF over XF.  Tha is the firmest I can go with the pieces I have. Even that might feel like I am sinking in too much with the convoluted layer and a thicker mattress pad (for temperature control).   I think 1" of something might work better than the convoluted for me.  Or perhaps SF on the bottom layer....

Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - sandman
Dec 19, 2009 4:15 PM
I agree that the reason is probably that it is cheaper to make, so perhaps they can build in a larger profit margin.  There may not be enough 100% natural to go around, so they have to sell a fair amount of synthetic as well to meet the demand. 

I wonder if they can make the sythentic with the same density as the natural, but choose not to because it would cost more?

The blend is still a pretty good product, equal to or better than most (if not all) of the foams they put in the mass produced mattresses.  However, if you are heavier and looking for more suport, the denser 100% natural is probably "better" than the blended (of course that is subjective - you would need blind tests to really find out what people prefer)....

Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - sandman
Dec 19, 2009 3:19 PM
Yes, but I agree with you that it would be nice to have more information on the performance differences.  Perhaps too hard to quantify and too subjective.  Even some generalties like 100% natural is denser so it should have more suport for heavier people.  Or blended less dense so it is more plush feeling, etc. 

There seems to be little information out there to make an informed decision with.  Tthe party line that I seem to have heard is that the performance in basically the same....

Re: Just bought a new Flobeds - sandman
Dec 19, 2009 8:36 AM
Eagle, I remember that flobeds told me that the 100% natural was also a bit thicker than the blended.  So. that might account for some, but not all, of the difference in weight.  I believe sleepez told me once that the blended and 100% natural had the same density.  Could have been someone that did not know and just threw out an answer. 

It might be worth calling Latex International to see if there really is a density diffrerence and how much.  It could also be that every batch might be a bit different.  Hard to see that accounting for the difference you have though....

Re: Essentia - essentia
Dec 20, 2009 6:46 AM
Hi Everyone,

I see there's a lot of confusion over our product. I thought i'd help answer a few questions.

We invented a latex memory foam and manufacture it ourselves. Yes, It's a latex foam that feels like memory foam. It's not Dunlop or Talalay, it's our own process. So it has the properties of memory foam..delayed response, pressure relief etc but it's made from rubber tree sap. We call it natural memory foam because most don't know what latex foam is.

Other latex mattresses are topped with wool or cotton to soften the surface, we use our natural memory foam. The mattress ends up being more comfortable than latex alone as it's far more pressure relieving. It's also much more breathable than memory foam....night and day. Breathability is just not as issue with us.

Yes we are relatively new but our product is outstanding and we're doing very well because of it.

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