Re: Green Sleep Coil + Latex - DianeK
Nov 11, 2010 1:40 PM
Just thought I would add to this thread that the 14 ILD Talatech topper that I purchased 4 months ago from SLAB still has a strong odor to it. I will only sleep on that bed if we have company and every time I do the smell is quite strong (despite having a Dormeir and an extra layer of wool between it and me) and I wake up mildly congested with a headache. The bed without this topper did not give me headaches, so it is definitely the latex. I also had to return a topper to Essentia for the same reason. I didn't return the SLAB topper because restocking and shipping fees from Canada made it almost a losing proposition. As a veterinarian, I spent over 20 years wearing latex gloves daily so that may have sensitized me. I have also reacted to the horsehair in Hastens and now have...
Re: Is it true that the S Co's are all going to mostly pocket coils now? - jimsocal
Apr 15, 2011 10:47 PM
Hey, thanks for the report Budgy.
I suspected that the mattress guy I talked to wasn't telling the whole truth when he claimed that he had not heard that the springs migrating was an issue. Either that or he was just so new he hasn't heard all the things we've heard! He seemed knowledgeable yet when he said that he had never heard migration being a problem I got the feeling he was either green or lying.
On that note, what do you think of the Stearns and Foster intellicoils (are they included in your comments above re the cheap material encasing them?), and have you heard anything about the Stearns and Foster beds (here called Golden Elegance and Silver Dream) that use a bit of latex and intellicoil springs, joma wool, horsehair, cahsmere, etc... My guess would be that...
Re: is this true "100% Natural Talalay does not exist"???? - budgy
Apr 25, 2011 8:44 PM
The Talalay process for making latex foam is more costly than dunlop process rubber because the equipment is more complicated and expensive. Although this is a large generalization. The biggest cost of making rubber foam has always been the materials costs, some high quality natural dunlop rubber can be just as much or more expensive than natural talalay latex. but its really hard to guess what a manufacturers true costs are. The cost of talalay usually being higher stems more from the fact that it is common belief it is superior to dunlop process rubber and people are 'willing' to pay the premium.
Dunlop rubber is denser and heavier than Talalay rubber, and therefore materials costs are always higher given that the polymer mixture is the same. The price of processing Talalay latex is higher and than Dunlop. Higher price does not always mean a better end...
Re: Is it true that the S Co's are all going to mostly pocket coils now? - budgy
Apr 16, 2011 8:21 AM
I can't say for sure on the new top of the line Stearns and Fosters as they are not currently bringing in that kind of spec into Canada. I suspect you are right regarding the upholstery...its still probably a decent bit of polyfoam, some blended latex and a mishmash of polyester fibre blended with low grade horsehair and cashmere. The coil-in-coil system also seems gimmicky, a properly designed coil can use progressive spring rates to acheive the same effect (and use thicker stronger wire at the same time).
I still believe the best coils you can get by far would be pocket coils but with extreme conditions.
-coils should be wrapped in good quality cotton, not polyester
-coils should be stitched and tied together, not using glue
-should not be foam encased, they should be reinforced with coir, or flax....
Re: Please help with topper , wool or foam? - Phoenix
Dec 23, 2010 1:44 PM
Well I can see why your mattress is "a bit firm" for side sleeping lol. It's a good base for putting something over but I am imagining that it feels more like "softwood". The fiberboard is a densified polyester fiber and while I haven't laid on this material directly, I would imagine it was very firm, especially on top of firm springs.
A softer latex topper could very well feel as soft as memory foam for you depending on how far you sank in. You are probably sinking right through the memory foam and feeling the firm mattress underneath. The ability of latex to relieve pressure is similar to memory foam but the difference in support is much larger. You would tend to "hammock" much less with softer latex since it will "stop the sinking" and "push back" more than memory foam. Even poly will do the same...
Re: I need help finding a new mattress and I feel lost. Reviews are extremely subjective, sales people aren't truthful, and prices fluctuate without reason - Phoenix
Dec 17, 2010 1:36 PM
You would probably be in the range of latex over innersprings or even latex over high quality poly in the upper part of your budget. At the lower part of your budget you will almost certainly have polyfoam in your mattress. I agree with Budgy that latex foam is likely cooler than the polyfoam you would find in most mattresses in your price range. The only thing cooler would likely be natural stuffings (horsehair wool etc) over innersprings but then you're looking at "other issues" including price as these are how the "super beds with a super price" are made. There are a few that are less but still not in your budget for a queen. You may be mistaking all foam with memory foam which usually does sleep hotter. In order of "breathability" there is latex, "regular" polyfoam, and memory foam.
You would probably do well to...
Re: IBC Europa Gemini Mattress - Phoenix
Dec 1, 2010 7:51 PM
http://www.ibcgroup.com is considered to be a fairly "progressive" manufacturer that has continued to grow while other manufacturers have been declining. They are currently if memory serves me the 9th largest manufacturer in the US. They also make the Dr Breus mattress which is the subject of another thread.
I looked at them and got the stats for all their mattresses but IMO they have fallen prey to the practices of other manufacturers who are putting way to much poly in their comfort layers. While they may offer better value than some larger manufacturers, I don't think they are anywhere near the value of many smaller regional and local manufacturers or even some larger ones. I especially looked at their origins line which is their top line and has much more latex (the one you linked in the Europa line only has 1" of latex and can't fairly...
Re: The pros and cons of memory foam ... beyond the hype. - Phoenix
Nov 15, 2010 8:49 PM
So here's a "shorter slightly less technical version" for those that just want a quick (ok ok ... sort of quicker) version. Changed the "approach" of the first part, edited the second a bit as well, and highlighted more sentences for people who just want to "scan".
SECOND DRAFT ...
Visco elastic foam or "memory foam" is a very unusual material and perhaps partly because it has such unusual qualities compared to the many other materials used in mattresses, there is also a lot of misinformation "disguised as fact" about it. It is also subject to many different "formulas" in it's manufacturing by different companies which change it's qualities ... for better or for worse ... and this too becomes the subject of lots of the hype and misinformation you will hear in the world of marketing and selling mattresses.
What...
Re: Carpe Diem - Kellyp
Mar 6, 2011 7:17 AM
m61376 - Thank you for your excellent review of the Carpe Diem Korno bed. It has been quite some time since you wrote the review but if you happen to receive this response, we'd love to hear your assessment of it now, several years later. So often people review their beds when they're new, but the real asssessment as you will know from your previous beds comes after a few years on them. We were originally about to buy a Hastens Superia but after reading many reviews thought it was worthwhile to drive the 45 minutes to the only shop in Canada (!) that carries Carpe Diem. Just as you describe it is much like the Hastens but a little better owing to the latex in the topper. I really liked the idea of the all natural flax/wool/horsehair and resulting coolness of the Hastens but we were concerned about the...
Re: Can latex match the support you get from innnersprings? - smjc_99
Apr 22, 2011 5:48 PM
I have been doing some research and trials and this is what I found
the very best /high end beds seem to be made of Pocked springs and Nautral materials in the comfort layers
Examples
A) Pocketed springs and Horsehair/cotton ( Hastens)
B) Adjustable Pocketed springs and latex layers ( Duxiana 12:12 )
C) Adjustable Pocketed springs with various firmness in Latex layers ( Carpe diem )
The dr breus beds( latex and polyfoam and expensive ) that I tried at home were vastly inferior to my simmons worldclass with a layer of latex and ployfoam in the comfort layers, this breus bed is very inconsistent in feel and have soft spots on the mattress
I am sure a few layers of Talalay latex from Sleepez or flo beds can make a comfortable bed but will...
