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Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - cloud9
Feb 1, 2008 12:59 AM
Feb 1, 2008 12:59 AM
BeddyBye wrote:
I think those convoluted Overstock toppers were 20 ILD. I tend to think that convoluted foam feels softer overall than a solid sheet mainly because the peaks and valleys make it thinner in some places than others and when it compresses under your body there is just more empty space, hence a softer feel....
I have about 3 of those soft talalay latex toppers from Overstock.com. I found them to be a bit too soft for my back, unfortunately. I put one on my 15 year old daughter's rock-hard bed under a fiber bed. She really likes the feel.
I think those convoluted Overstock toppers were 20 ILD. I tend to think that convoluted foam feels softer overall than a solid sheet mainly because the peaks and valleys make it thinner in some places than others and when it compresses under your body there is just more empty space, hence a softer feel....
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - BeddyBye
Jan 31, 2008 7:42 PM
Jan 31, 2008 7:42 PM
mccldwll wrote:
Well, let's hope she likes it! :) AND,...
"I have about 3 of those soft talalay latex toppers from Overstock.com. I found them to be a bit too soft for my back, unfortunately."<BR><BR>I have those same toppers as part of my "cut and paste" supply. They are soft, but if you mate the convolutions are much firmer (relatively speaking). In my present zoning experiments, I had to fold them so convolutions mostly "unmated" to get it soft enough (relative to hip region). <BR><BR>NOTE: My wife, not bothered by back pain, has been incredibly skeptical about my entire zoning project (especially the month I spent sleeping on the living room floor last year with slabs of folded latex) but this morning commented that mattress is now unbelievably comfortable. Either she really likes it, finally gets it, or wants me to stop making major messes.
Well, let's hope she likes it! :) AND,...
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - BeddyBye
Jan 30, 2008 8:37 PM
Jan 30, 2008 8:37 PM
I have about 3 of those soft talalay latex toppers from Overstock.com. I found them to be a bit too soft for my back, unfortunately. I put one on my 15 year old daughter's rock-hard bed under a fiber bed. She really likes the feel.
jimsocal wrote:
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jimsocal wrote:
For a topper, a super low ILD (super soft) Talalay is probably your best bet.<BR>As a mattress I hated Talalay, it "pushes back" against my back and my back hated it.<BR>Dunlop does not push back and I plan to buy some to try it over my Sealy springs.<BR><BR>However, a super soft Talalay does not push back as much and even I can tolerate it in a low ILD. <BR>So I would say go for either type of Talalay as a topper (2" or less).
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Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - mccldwll
Feb 1, 2008 2:06 AM
Feb 1, 2008 2:06 AM
"I think those convoluted Overstock toppers were 20 ILD. I tend to think that convoluted foam feels softer overall than a solid sheet mainly because the peaks and valleys make it thinner in some places than others and when it compresses under your body there is just more empty space, hence a softer feel."
Well...........remember what ILD refers to (weight required to compress test material/section 25%). The overstock latex may have tested at 20 ILD originally, but the convoluting process cuts the ILD of each piece roughly in half (While this is based on info at memoryfoam.com site roughly a year ago when they were closing out some 14 ILD convoluted latex that was tested at 28 ILD before convoluting, my experiments with those Overstock toppers would support that)....
Well...........remember what ILD refers to (weight required to compress test material/section 25%). The overstock latex may have tested at 20 ILD originally, but the convoluting process cuts the ILD of each piece roughly in half (While this is based on info at memoryfoam.com site roughly a year ago when they were closing out some 14 ILD convoluted latex that was tested at 28 ILD before convoluting, my experiments with those Overstock toppers would support that)....
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - mccldwll
Jan 31, 2008 2:02 AM
Jan 31, 2008 2:02 AM
"I have about 3 of those soft talalay latex toppers from Overstock.com. I found them to be a bit too soft for my back, unfortunately."
I have those same toppers as part of my "cut and paste" supply. They are soft, but if you mate the convolutions are much firmer (relatively speaking). In my present zoning experiments, I had to fold them so convolutions mostly "unmated" to get it soft enough (relative to hip region).
NOTE: My wife, not bothered by back pain, has been incredibly skeptical about my entire zoning project (especially the month I spent sleeping on the living room floor last year with slabs of folded latex) but this morning commented that mattress is now unbelievably comfortable. Either she really likes it, finally gets it, or wants me to stop making major messes....
I have those same toppers as part of my "cut and paste" supply. They are soft, but if you mate the convolutions are much firmer (relatively speaking). In my present zoning experiments, I had to fold them so convolutions mostly "unmated" to get it soft enough (relative to hip region).
NOTE: My wife, not bothered by back pain, has been incredibly skeptical about my entire zoning project (especially the month I spent sleeping on the living room floor last year with slabs of folded latex) but this morning commented that mattress is now unbelievably comfortable. Either she really likes it, finally gets it, or wants me to stop making major messes....
Re: found some "deals" on latex in case anyone's interested - kimmcgov
Jan 31, 2008 6:31 AM
Jan 31, 2008 6:31 AM
Do you think the latex is 100% natural, a blend, or all synthetic? It's a very good price......
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - kimmcgov
Jan 30, 2008 6:38 PM
Jan 30, 2008 6:38 PM
jimsocal wrote:
So, how low was that?
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However, a super soft Talalay does not push back as much and even I can tolerate it in a low ILD.
So, how low was that?
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Re: Latex Longevity - mattressmom
Jan 30, 2008 4:09 PM
Jan 30, 2008 4:09 PM
http://habitatfutons.com/latex_mattress.html
"high quality, all botanical, Sri Lankan latex"
"Our 6" 100% Natural Latex Mattress contains only pure Sri Lankan Botanical Latex with no synthetic, petroleum based urethane foam. "
The guy in the video makes a point of mentioning Sri Lankan latex. Most Dunlop is from South Asia. LI is an American company known for making Talalay latex - mostly blended with about 60% petroleum products - the kind this site claims are so bad.
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"high quality, all botanical, Sri Lankan latex"
"Our 6" 100% Natural Latex Mattress contains only pure Sri Lankan Botanical Latex with no synthetic, petroleum based urethane foam. "
The guy in the video makes a point of mentioning Sri Lankan latex. Most Dunlop is from South Asia. LI is an American company known for making Talalay latex - mostly blended with about 60% petroleum products - the kind this site claims are so bad.
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Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - jimsocal
Jan 30, 2008 6:09 PM
Jan 30, 2008 6:09 PM
For a topper, a super low ILD (super soft) Talalay is probably your best bet.
As a mattress I hated Talalay, it "pushes back" against my back and my back hated it.
Dunlop does not push back and I plan to buy some to try it over my Sealy springs.
However, a super soft Talalay does not push back as much and even I can tolerate it in a low ILD.
So I would say go for either type of Talalay as a topper (2" or less)....
As a mattress I hated Talalay, it "pushes back" against my back and my back hated it.
Dunlop does not push back and I plan to buy some to try it over my Sealy springs.
However, a super soft Talalay does not push back as much and even I can tolerate it in a low ILD.
So I would say go for either type of Talalay as a topper (2" or less)....
Re: Okay foam experts, I'm looking for specific ideas now... - jimsocal
Jan 30, 2008 1:00 PM
Jan 30, 2008 1:00 PM
cloud9 wrote:
Jim, looks like we moved to your back pain thread. My first impression is that you have WAY too much foam on your mattress, and way too much soft foam, which is probably contributing to your back pain. I don't recommend memory foam any thicker than 2" because of the hammocking factor. To top that off you have 2" of soft latex over that! 5" of very soft non-supportive foam. Ouch! No wonder your back is killing you after a few hours.
Since your mattress is sagging all by itself, I think you should attempt the mattress surgery approach and go from there. Also, because you have the additional problem of neck and shoulder pain you may really need to zone your mattress reconstruction. Softer in the shoulders and firmer for your hips. I'm not convinced one size will fit all for you.
Be aware that Talalay is...