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Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - MequonJim
Jan 29, 2008 3:41 AM
In my experience, 100% natural talalay feels much more jiggly than blended talalay....
Re: Okay foam experts, I'm looking for specific ideas now... - cloud9
Jan 30, 2008 1:12 AM
Jim, looks like we moved to your back pain thread. My first impression is that you have WAY too much foam on your mattress, and way too much soft foam, which is probably contributing to your back pain.  I don't recommend memory foam any thicker than 2" because of the hammocking factor. To top that off you have 2" of soft latex over that! 5" of very soft non-supportive foam. Ouch!  No wonder your back is killing you after a few hours.

Since your mattress is sagging all by itself, I think you should attempt the mattress surgery approach and go from there. Also, because you have the additional problem of  neck and shoulder pain you may really need to zone your mattress reconstruction. Softer in the shoulders and firmer for your hips. I'm not convinced one size will fit all for you.

Be aware that Talalay is not the same as...

Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - cloud9
Jan 29, 2008 11:55 PM
Latex of any kind won't feel like PU foam (and nothing like memory foam), but I think you will like Dunlop better than Talalay. If you've read my posts elsewhere you know I had a blended Dunlop mattress for 20 years. I loved it and was really surprised and disappointed that Talalay didn't live up to my expectations. I wouldn't exactly say that Dunlop has a "dead" feel. It's still latex, still rubber and still has resiliency to it, but it is much more passive--less pushy than Talalay and not at all jiggly, so in some respects it would be closer to PU foam than Talalay would. Dunlop is denser than Talalay and will support the body evenly and comfortably at softer ILDs. This is certainly not true of Talalay. Best of all, it feels the same after a few hours as it does when you get into bed. No...
Re: Want to hear from foam experts with bad backs.... - BeddyBye
Jan 28, 2008 9:12 PM
I read here where someone sliced the top off their mattress and then added their own foams or latex. But it had a pillow top. I imagine you can do the same thing. Try to do a search and see if you can locate the post.

jimsocal wrote:
Thanks for the info BeddyBye, that answers a lot of questions. I thought maybe I needed a lot more foam over the springs. If all I need is a thin layer of hard HD foam, that is cheap and easy to get! Then I already have 2 layers of  1" 24? ILD Talalay to play with and some memory foam. So all I need to do is buy a layer of harder latex - I think I'll try to get a natural latex since I have always found Talalay to be a weird feeling to lay on. I...
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - BeddyBye
Jan 28, 2008 9:07 PM
From what was posted here. Dunlop process seems to be more like "poundcake" and Talalay process is more like "spongecake". Thud vs. Boing.
I'm going to my mattress shop and try laying on a Dunlop again. I did back when I bought my mattress, but didn't pay much attention back then. I do know it had that "thud" feel. I'm curious to see if he'll sell Dunlop in thinner layers (2" or 3"). He had a thicker core on the floor.

I read a description of both processes on FoamSweetHome that explained it well. They said that for those who want firmer, Dunlop is the way to go. More resilience, go with Talalay. Wish I had known this when I bought mine.



kimmcgov wrote:
I've been reading all of the recent posts discussing Dunlop vs. Talalay but I still don't have a handle on how different...
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - mccldwll
Jan 29, 2008 2:11 AM
If you're looking for something that feels like soft PU, I would try a couple of inexpensive 1" talalay toppers. They pop up occasionally for around $50- $60 apiece online. At 2", I doubt you'll feel any difference between your several options. A local shop had high end dunlop and 100% natural Talatech 9" mattresses side by side, and I didn't feel too much difference (that was a year ago). ...
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - kimmcgov
Jan 30, 2008 9:38 AM
Thanks for all of these really informative responses. I do see a few 100% natural latex toppers out there (presumably Dunlop if they don't specify Talalay) and I'm wondering if I need to worry about where they are made. I emailed a few places to find out where the latex came from. Sleepwarehouse said their latex is produced in Malaysia. FoamOrder said their latex came from both the US and Asia, but when pressed for more specific details, they told me they didn't give out that information (!?). Northern Naturals have a topper that comes from Sri Lanka.

A zoned surface makes a lot of sense, but if start out with a just a basic layer, I can at least figure out which part of my body that firmness works for, then cut and paste something firmer or softer in if I need to....
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - mattressmom
Jan 29, 2008 5:58 AM
From FoamOrder.com's web page:

" Most in-store customers prefer the Natural Sense to Talalay in a side-by-side comparison (and this is not a "sales pitch")."

That quote is from this page:
http://www.foamorder.com/mattress_pads.html

FoamOrder.com sells blended and natural Talalay, Dunlop (that they call Natural Sense latex), PU foam and memory foam. They might be good people to ask about the differences.They also have bargains in the Clearance section.

http://www.foamorder.com/...
Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - mattressmom
Jan 29, 2008 5:13 AM
kimmcgov wrote:
Do any of these types of latex come closer to that feel (not too springy, not too "pudding-y" like memory foam).

Dunlop is nothing like memory foam. You don't sink in and stay there like quick sand. (Sorry to memory foam fans. I've never liked that feeling when I've tried it in the stores.)

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Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - mattressmom
Jan 29, 2008 5:06 AM
Dunlop feels a lot like a high quality thick cotton futon when it's new. The feel has been described as "dead" compared to coils or Talalay. It feels dense and thick and heavy compared to Talalay - less rubbery, less refined. It doesn't push back like Talalay. My husband's back tightened up on the Talalay we tried locally but he loves the Dunlop. The Dunlop is sturdy and easy to handle.

I've handled samples of the Natural Talalay and it seems a lot more fragile than the blended Talalay. It is even lighter and airier than the blended. I would think it would be even springier and less durable than either the Dunlop or the blended Talalay. I definitely wouldn't use it as a topper.

I'm not sure whether or not you'd like a Dunlop topper. I'm not sure how thick the latex has to be to get the benefits. My daughter's...

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