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Re: Pillow review: Simmons Beautyrest firm latex - MequonJim
Sep 13, 2007 12:53 PM
Sep 13, 2007 12:53 PM
I'm glad that worked. Maybe I will try that with my JCPenney zoned latex pillow. Maybe that mixed with my Natura DreamMate pillow, which is already shredded. The Natura DreamMate is too high of an ILD to be used alone. It is so firm, that I would only consider it for side sleeping, but even then I want some cush with all of that support.
Congratulations on your new pillow, & thanks for sharing your success....
Congratulations on your new pillow, & thanks for sharing your success....
Re: Why choose natural latex? - MequonJim
Sep 12, 2007 5:50 AM
Sep 12, 2007 5:50 AM
I own both the blended talatech and the 100% natural talatech from LI.
Both look very similar. Both feel very similar. The natural smells more. I haven't owned them long enough to make personal durability claims.
I can tell you this, the next time I buy latex, it will be a blend. In my opinion, there is no point in seeking out the natural.
100% natural seems to imply something. However, from what I understand, stuff needs to be added to all latex to turn it in to foam. Is it really 100% natural in the end? Something to think about.
When I look at my 100% natural topper, it doesn't look like anything I would find out in nature. It definitely looks man made....
Both look very similar. Both feel very similar. The natural smells more. I haven't owned them long enough to make personal durability claims.
I can tell you this, the next time I buy latex, it will be a blend. In my opinion, there is no point in seeking out the natural.
100% natural seems to imply something. However, from what I understand, stuff needs to be added to all latex to turn it in to foam. Is it really 100% natural in the end? Something to think about.
When I look at my 100% natural topper, it doesn't look like anything I would find out in nature. It definitely looks man made....
Re: Why choose natural latex? - haysdb
Sep 12, 2007 5:36 PM
Sep 12, 2007 5:36 PM
There was a thread from about a year ago questioning whether LI's latex was less dense than it used to be. Latex is supposed to have a "support factor" of around 2.5. This means it can be soft and yet very supportive. Support factor is directly related to density. If what used to be 4.5 lb latex is now only 4 lb latex (for example), it would be less supportive.
This was never proven, but I keep thinking about it when people say that even the most dense talalay latex is not supportive enough for them....
This was never proven, but I keep thinking about it when people say that even the most dense talalay latex is not supportive enough for them....
Re: CPSC Mattress Burn Standards - Good for Consumers? - D3Fi
Sep 13, 2007 8:54 PM
Sep 13, 2007 8:54 PM
Yeah I know they've been using chemicals like this in traditional mattresses for years in the batting but this just increases the amount. I've had a bee in my bonnet in regards to them not being required to disclose the chemicals in use also. Many manufacturers have met the new standard using more wool but that costs more money and the big manufacturers just aren't going to do it.
Strobel has a lot to say on the chemical subject and he does indeed have an agenda (he sells natural beds). However, what he says is true.
I don't honestly care much what they put in the beds as harmful chemicals are in everything around us in varying concentrations. I do however think the mattress issue is a little different since we sleep on it, can't wash it and especially because our kids sleep on it as well. For those wondering, the government didn't...
Strobel has a lot to say on the chemical subject and he does indeed have an agenda (he sells natural beds). However, what he says is true.
I don't honestly care much what they put in the beds as harmful chemicals are in everything around us in varying concentrations. I do however think the mattress issue is a little different since we sleep on it, can't wash it and especially because our kids sleep on it as well. For those wondering, the government didn't...
Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit) - D3Fi
Sep 13, 2007 1:13 AM
Sep 13, 2007 1:13 AM
Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit) - D3Fi
Sep 12, 2007 6:02 PM
cheese lol someone's olfactory senses are defective. ;) I can't really put a finger on the smell but it definitely smells sweet. I guess to each his/her own though. The smell of flame-retardant chemicals for example obviously doesn't bother a lot of people (or bother them much) or else traditional innerspring mattresses wouldn't sell. To others like myself though, it's like sleeping in the gas chamber.
By the way blaupunk, SleepEZ, Flobeds and The Natural Bed Store will all quite readily end you samples if you call them and ask. This way you can make sure your...
Sep 12, 2007 6:02 PM
cheese lol someone's olfactory senses are defective. ;) I can't really put a finger on the smell but it definitely smells sweet. I guess to each his/her own though. The smell of flame-retardant chemicals for example obviously doesn't bother a lot of people (or bother them much) or else traditional innerspring mattresses wouldn't sell. To others like myself though, it's like sleeping in the gas chamber.
By the way blaupunk, SleepEZ, Flobeds and The Natural Bed Store will all quite readily end you samples if you call them and ask. This way you can make sure your...
Re: OK, so maybe I will get a FloBed - D3Fi
Sep 12, 2007 5:53 PM
Sep 12, 2007 5:53 PM
It all comes down to personal preference of course but both my wife and I find natural latex to be lacking in support no matter how firm we went. We went all the way to 3 XF layers (and left the topper off completely) and its sitll too soft even for side sleeping. I still sink and get the undesirable bend in my spine which gives me the back pains in the morning and I am 6'1" and 170 lbs - far from heavy. My 2 cents is to start out with XF at least and go softer if you need to but the trend (and our personal experience) seems to lean towards the higher ILDs. After we get our blended sample we're likely going to go all blended and then maybe get a 3/4"-1" XF natural topper (depending on if we even need any cush)....
Re: Why choose natural latex? - D3Fi
Sep 12, 2007 5:08 PM
Sep 12, 2007 5:08 PM
We so much wanted to love natural latex - but we don't (due to lack of support). I would recommend going blended unless you like sleeping on a marshmallow. LI's blend is Oeko-Tex certified so that should at least say something to those concerned about harmful chemicals.
Alisande, I'd be curious as to what brand the latex product was. I've never heard a complaint about latex breaking down quickly anywhere so it sounds like a shady product and a brand I think we'd all want to avoid....
Alisande, I'd be curious as to what brand the latex product was. I've never heard a complaint about latex breaking down quickly anywhere so it sounds like a shady product and a brand I think we'd all want to avoid....
Re: Why choose natural latex? - Alisande
Sep 12, 2007 11:23 AM
Sep 12, 2007 11:23 AM
I can add that I had a natural latex mattress for a short time.I loved it in the store, and was sure it would hold up well. But it didn't at all, and I ended up exchanging it....
Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit) - obxgal
Sep 12, 2007 10:21 PM
Sep 12, 2007 10:21 PM
Many of these brands get their latex from the same place, Latex International. Here's a link to their website that lists the mattress lines and pillows that use it, along with some other information which is really interesting. It does contain natural talalay latex, but not 100%.
http://www.latexfoam.com/consumer/editable_files/consumer_find.htm
We tried some Sealy Spring Free and the pillowtops were comfortable. The best prices I've found on this type of mattress are at Costco.com, the Stearns & Foster Kirkland Series, and Samsclub.com, who has a model by Serta with latex and memory foam called Grand Villa with a cashmere top. We live in a pretty small town, so don't have much to choose from locally and the prices are usually higher.
We're looking for one that has memory foam with a latex core and a natural cover. Not in a kit, preferably a pillowtop. If it should smash down, and there is no saying it will, we'll put something else on...
http://www.latexfoam.com/consumer/editable_files/consumer_find.htm
We tried some Sealy Spring Free and the pillowtops were comfortable. The best prices I've found on this type of mattress are at Costco.com, the Stearns & Foster Kirkland Series, and Samsclub.com, who has a model by Serta with latex and memory foam called Grand Villa with a cashmere top. We live in a pretty small town, so don't have much to choose from locally and the prices are usually higher.
We're looking for one that has memory foam with a latex core and a natural cover. Not in a kit, preferably a pillowtop. If it should smash down, and there is no saying it will, we'll put something else on...