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Re: Getting rid of a Hastens bed - Kait
Sep 21, 2010 7:54 AM
Rosstamon;

I think you are making this more complicated than it needs to be.  Women have curves and aren't as heavy as men are, so need more "cush" for comfort.  Your bed has good "bones", or springs, and all you probably need to do is create a topper system that works for her and makes her side softer.  Horsehair has no rebound,or bounce, that is why it feels hard once you get in it and settled.  Foams are all different in their amount of rebound and and sink.  Memory foam has no rebound either, but it does have sink...it sinks in where you are the heaviest, and cradles the body.  Latex has lots of rebound and less sink...so they have many different ILD's.  P/U foam is cheaper and often has a good sink:rebound ratio...but it won't last as long.  Does not mean it isn't worth trying.

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Re: seeking Stearns and Foster - Russell Square / Monet's Garden experiences - sandman
Oct 12, 2010 11:59 AM
Phoenix, have you researched the S&F Limited Edition Golden Elegance?  From all of the S brand models I have looked at, this seems to use the highest quality ingredients:  3" latex, wool, cashmere, silk, horsehair, coil in coil system.

Not sure if they slipped any PU foam in there, but knowing the S brands I cannot rule it out.  I hate when they don't give the exact composition of what is inside.  Generally that means they have something to hide.

Starts at $4000 for a queen, but not sure if that is suggested retail price which will get heavily discounted.

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Re: Body Impressions ... opinions from people who have been around for a long time? - budgy
Oct 13, 2010 10:50 AM
"Was the choice of material used in the stuffing all about "customizing" the body impression to make it fit the customer?"

I don't really think so.  I take Hastens as a good example...they make their mattresses out of horsehair wool and cotton on top of springs.  They claim that about 50% of their customers prefer the mattress feel after some initial indentation and the other 50% periodically do the massage technique to their mattress toppers to reloft the fibres.  I think that those who have legitimate back problems will likely find the flatter the mattress surface the better it seems to be...while those that simply like to feel nested would like a little bit of settling in these materials.  Again though, with limits. 

The whole conforming to body shape thing should be inherent in a well designed mattress, natural fillings have less 'structure' than any variety...

Re: Body Impressions ... opinions from people who have been around for a long time? - budgy
Oct 12, 2010 10:50 PM
It used to be far more rare for spring mattresses to compress to the point of getting permanent 1.5~2" body indentations.  A certain amount of compression is expected in any mattress, although at a certain point it is no longer desirable. 

When you have a mattress that is made of closed cell foam such as what is mostly used today you have a structure on top of a spring system that is designed to support your body....think in some pillowtop mattresses now there can be copious amounts of foam (over 5 inches), enough in some cases that the spring system itself is essentially irrelevant.  The issue with closed cell polyurethane foam is that you essentially have trapped air inside each cell...when this is compressed you are forcing air through a closed cell wall into adjacent cells, causing degradation to the cell walls and reducing support.  Eventually leading to...

Re: seeking Stearns and Foster - Russell Square / Monet's Garden experiences - budgy
Oct 12, 2010 2:04 PM
Phoenix wrote:

http://www.1800mattress.com/Catalog/Product/4440/67827/Stearns-and-Foster-Golden-Elegance-Pillow-Top.aspx?Sort=Price+ASC

Features:
2.5" Foam Encased Edge System
1" Marvelux Base Insulator
LTD Boxspring

Comfort Layers:
2" HD SuperSoft Foam
Versare
White Cashmere / Wool
3" Natural Latex
Horse Hair

Quilt Panel:
FR Rayon
New Zeland Joma Wool
Cashmere Silk and Merino Wool Fabric
1" HyperSoft Fiber

I've seen it in passing before but didn't look at it in too much detail. It only came out late last year. Did a quick search to see if I could get some quick information on it to confirm what I...

Re: Getting rid of a Hastens bed - Sleepaholic
Sep 21, 2010 4:46 PM
Hi Ross,

I also have a Hastens Excelsior (CA king in Medium tension). I've only had it for 2 weeks, but so far I must say I wouldn't give that sucker up if my life depended on it! LOL. My favorite thing about the bed is the all natural construction with no synthetic foams because I wanted to avoid off-gassing and contaminating the environment. I'm sure you know all about this, but the chemicals in mattress foams have been shown to build up in the body and even human breast milk (just mentioned in case u and wifey are planning on reproducing).

I agree with everyone who said to keep the bed and modify it. I love the cool, breathability of the horsehair, so I would still keep that as the top layer. I think it would be a good idea to buy a twin size high quality...

Re: Need pointed in the right direction - Phoenix
Oct 16, 2010 1:12 PM
Given the value that is out there ... If I was going to look at a mattress with more than 1" of polyfoam, I would make sure that it was the type of foam that wouldn't create problems down the road AND I would expect to pay far less than most people seem to be paying for these types of mattress. I don't mean to discourage you ... quite the opposite as a matter of fact ... but .....................

If I was going to go in the polyfoam direction, I would get very specific about what they were (you can see some examples in the last 2 links I posted) and be reasonably certain they would do what I wanted them to do in terms of support, comfort, and durability. I would not buy something where I had any doubts. It is much easier to know what you...

Re: Need pointed in the right direction - Phoenix
Oct 13, 2010 4:53 PM
Personal opinion ... and you will have many others from many others ... Is that I would go for latex either with a latex core or an innerspring core ... and this for me would be a matter of budget.

If you are comfortable with memory foam and know that you really like it, then I would go there as well ... but I'm not ... even though I do like the feel of certain combinations (mentioned in another thread).

So the comparison would really be between latex and memory foam in terms of what feels good to you..... just to simplify matters ... Unless of course you want to go in the direction of an "old style mattress" with cotton, horsehair, wool etc over springs ... and that's the topic of another thread here.

The link to Rocky Mountain is a memory foam...

Body Impressions ... opinions from people who have been around for a long time? - Phoenix
Oct 12, 2010 7:56 PM
It seems that in the "old days" before the time of more and more hi tech foams, that most mattresses (besides the latex ones) were made much more out of basically two components ... the springs ... and stuffing like cotton, wool, horsehair, and other "stuff". The idea seemed to be that the "active" contouring support came from the springs and that the comfort and surface feel came from the material or padding. Now they obviously knew that these materials would compress to some degree and would often pre-compress or tuft the material but unlike the polyfoams of today, the compression wasn't because of the breakdown of the material and the quality of the stuffing wasn't degraded.

Now here's where I'd love the opinions from people who have been around a while. It seems at this time (and some of the higher end manufacturers and even some smaller...

Re: seeking Stearns and Foster - Russell Square / Monet's Garden experiences - Phoenix
Oct 12, 2010 1:10 PM
http://www.1800mattress.com/Catalog/Product/4440/67827/Stearns-and-Foster-Golden-Elegance-Pillow-Top.aspx?Sort=Price+ASC

Features:
2.5" Foam Encased Edge System
1" Marvelux Base Insulator
LTD Boxspring

Comfort Layers:
2" HD SuperSoft Foam
Versare
White Cashmere / Wool
3" Natural Latex
Horse Hair

Quilt Panel:
FR Rayon
New Zeland Joma Wool
Cashmere Silk and Merino Wool Fabric
1" HyperSoft Fiber

I've seen it in passing before but didn't look at it in too much detail. It only came out late last year. Did a quick search to see if I could get some quick information on it to confirm what I would think of a similar mattress (similar specs).

Here's a chart which shows how long this particular retailer expects various mattresses to last. While...

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