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I’d like to relate my recent experience with purchasing a latex mattress from an eBay vendor. Pardon the length of this post but it’s been a long and interesting journey and I hope it provides research and purchase help to others. Credit goes to forum member GKDesigns and his mattress design specs here. They helped me. Some background: after a couple of months of mattress research, I had a pretty good idea of what kind of mattress my wife and I wanted. She’s about 5’4” and 130 pounds and I am 5’11” and 240 pounds. We both prefer softer mattresses and really dislike very firm mattresses. Having checked out a few latex mattresses locally, we learned we liked latex and would be comfortable on something similar to the Beautiful model from Pure Latex Bliss. It was supportive for both of us but still soft and comfortable. By way of comparison, we started with laying on the PLB Pamper: much too firm! Their Nature model was better but still too firm. Their World’s Best Bed felt wonderful to both me and my wife but didn’t have enough support for me because my spine was misaligned when lying on my side. The same was true of the Pranasleep Wahe Guru Luxury Plush. We already owned a Pure Latex Bliss 3” all-natural queen Talalay latex topper which is rated at 14 ILD (nominally 17 ILD) and very comfortable. We wanted to incorporate it into whatever latex mattress we ended up with. So the PLB Beautiful became the benchmark mattress to which I determined to get close. In last year’s model, it’s a 12” blended Talalay latex mattress comprising a 6” support layer of 36 ILD topped with 2” of 24 ILD and finished with 3” of 19 ILD. After almost considering trying to replicate that mattress with our topper and the Dreamfoam Bedding Ultimate Dreams mattress from amazon.com with a chosen 24 ILD comfort layer (and I think it might have been close!), I decided on an all-latex mattress. After lots more research, I decided to buy factory second latex layers and a new cover from the eBay store of Mattresses 24/7. I almost bought a complete mattress from the well-regarded vendor who supplies Mattresses 24/7 with their latex but decided the risk/reward of buying from Mattresses 24/7 was worth it. After several messages back and forth with Valerie (seller mattresses247 on eBay) inquiring about her products and purchase options, she eventually gave me her phone number and suggested I call her to save time. I did and we spoke for about 30 minutes. She listened and then she offered her advice about what I might consider purchasing. I placed my order that day in her eBay store. Her firmness ILD ratings are soft 22-24, medium 30-32, firm 38-40 and extra firm 44. I ordered a 9” queen Talalay latex blend mattress in three split layers, with layers of firm, medium and soft, all split. I also ordered a 12” 4-way stretch soft cotton zippered mattress cover. My intent was to place the three 3” split layers and my 3” queen topper inside the 12” cover. I figured I’d start with my wife and I both on three base layers of F/M/S plus our topper and see how we liked it. If that was too soft for me (and I expected it would be), I could switch my side to F/S/M, or me to F/M/M and her to F/S/S or one of the many other possible combinations. If necessary, I could return one or more of the splits for a different firmness and have only to pay the shipping. The mattress and cover departed Tempe, AZ via UPS and arrived in NH one week later. It was shipped in one large box weighing 100 pounds (the two pieces each of firm and medium layers) and a smaller box weighing 50 pounds (the two soft pieces and the cover). The heavy duty cardboard boxes were in perfect condition when received and clearly marked with the layers that they contained. I wrestled the boxes upstairs and removed the contents which were wrapped within black plastic sheeting and then over-wrapped with clear heavy duty plastic. They seemed to be vacuum-packed only a little bit, perhaps because all six of the latex pieces were only 30”x80” each and didn’t require much compression for shipping. Once out of the plastic, the latex pieces were a little unwieldy but manageable. One of my biggest concerns about buying latex “seconds” online was the condition they would be in. It turns out I had little to worry about; I’m quite happy with the condition of the latex I received. One of the bottom layers had a small dirty spot on it as if it had touched a warehouse floor. Another had a very small red spot on it; it appeared to be something like red marker or maybe even a small spill from a red beverage. One of the middle sections had a very small chunk missing from it; I placed that side down but it would never have been felt when lying on the bed, regardless. There were some other very minor voids and visual imperfections but even my PLB topper has those. The latex was a creamy white color…not yellow, had no seams at all, and had only a very slight sweet latex smell. Each piece had a sticky paper label identifying its firmness but there were no markings to indicate the manufacturer of the latex. The 4-way stretch cotton knit cover is similar to the cover on PLB mattresses and toppers, though the weight of the PLB cotton is definitely heavier. Like the PLB cover, it is unquilted with no foam or wool comfort layering which is what I wanted, so we could be closer to the latex. It zips fully around three sides with a heavy-duty zipper and is attached at one end, in the middle through about half its width; i.e. the top does not completely separate from the bottom. After putting the bottom two layers in the cover, I was certain that only one more 3” layer was going to fit and that I had been mistakenly sent the 9” cover instead of the requested 12” cover. I was wrong. The top 3” layer went on next and then our 3” topper came out of its own cover and into the bed. The mattress cover was zipped up all the way around with little effort. The finished mattress looked great. I added on a St. Dormeir wool mattress protector, made the bed and then laid upon it. Ahhhhh…I done good! It felt pretty close to how I remember the PLB Beautiful but not as soft as the PLB World’s Best Bed. I’m very happy. After sleeping on the mattress for a week, I am totally satisfied with its quality, comfort and support. Sleeping on my sides, back and stomach are all comfortable and my body is well aligned. My wife, who is considerably lighter than I am, is also quite comfortable and happy with the mattress. It doesn’t seem I need to adjust the layers at all, though I may experiment a little anyway. I am quite satisfied with the purchase experience and value as well and can recommend mattresses247 on eBay without reservation. If you’ve been considering such a purchase, make it with confidence. But of course, do your homework first (you already are if you’re in this forum), and know as much as possible what you want regarding number of and firmness of layers. If you do your research and know what you need, the savings and value is great and the risk is low. Including our existing topper, we paid less than half of what we would have paid for a PLB Beautiful and saved at least 30% off of what we would have paid for a very similar mattress from the well-regarded online latex mattress vendor. Photos of my mattress -Dan Hall This message was modified Dec 12, 2012 by danielrhall
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Speaking of savings…Mattresses 24/7 is currently having a year-end inventory clearance sale going on for a couple of things. If you’re interested in either a six or nine inch mattress with cover (the cover is new to them so ask about it: it’s a cotton channel quilted cover), the current price is fabulous ($890 for 9" queen) and can’t be beat! You could even buy the mattress and cover and also buy a different cover and you'll still do better than I did. If you inquire, please do me a favor and let Valerie know you read about her sale here. Mattresses 24/7 on eBay This message was modified Dec 12, 2012 by danielrhall
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danielrhall wrote:>> >>Credit goes to forum member GKDesigns and his mattress design specs here. They helped me. Cool! Thanks! >>... something similar to the Beautiful model from Pure Latex Bliss. it’s a 12” blended Talalay latex mattress comprising a 6” support layer of 36 ILD topped with 2” of 24 ILD and finished with 3” of 19 ILD. Summarizing the key info for contemplation: mattresses247 on eBay (SleepEZ seconds) Blended Talalay Latex (LI, Radium Foam) ILD scale:
This scale suggests using firmer Latex than the LI scale suggests for the subjective medium, firm, and extra firm 'settings'. By my experience with LI Blended, I tend to agree. danielrhall 12" Queen Mattress Spec
Seems like thoughtful choices... good wool pad, good simple functional knit mattress cover. Lots of deep comfort... the 14 ILD seems soft to me... I like the 22-24 ILD. I need a firmer mattress so would probably want more than the 30-32 ILD. The 38-40 ILD should do it. And I like the Bengal... I have two of those guys! I guess report back in 6 months! >>recommend mattresses247 on eBay without reservation. Good tip. I wonder who mis-makes their Latex. GK This message was modified Dec 12, 2012 by GKDesigns
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Hey GK! Yeah, Bengals. Cool cats. The cat in the photo is Legion. He's a purebred Bengal, about 13 years old but acts like he's half that age, and is mostly interested in just going outside. When he's inside, he's "helpful" like you see in the photos. I mean, who else was I gonna get to run around under the mattress cover while I was trying to stuff it? My other Bengal is Aja, a 13.5 year old female. She's an F2 so not actually yet a true Bengal. Her interests are eating, eating, meowing incessantly and eating some more. Regarding who supplies M24/7 with their latex, it's SleepEZ. The shipping address on the boxes was theirs. I guess they don't reuse their comfort returns or their seconds. They get their blended Talalay from LI and Radium. The 14 ILD is soft, especially for someone with my weight, but I bought the PLB topper barely used several months ago for a price I just couldn't refuse. It's marshmallow-like and I just love how it feels. When it wears out, I'll likely replace it with another blended piece at 19 ILD. Unless I determine in the next short while that it's too soft in which case it will go back into its cover and someone else will get a good deal. Got a very good deal too on the wool protector during FloBed's Black Friday sale a month ago. I wanted no moisture barrier between me and the latex but I did want some moisture absorption and cooling/warmth which wool uniquely delivers. The only downside to all of this is that the research and analysis is over. I've been rather enjoying it! |
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danielrhall wrote:>> >>Regarding who supplies M24/7 with their latex, it's SleepEZ. The shipping address on the boxes was theirs. I guess they don't reuse their comfort returns or their seconds. They get their blended Talalay from LI and Radium. Good to know. Thanks! >>Got a very good deal too on the wool protector during FloBed's Black Friday sale a month ago. That was smart! >>The only downside to all of this is that the research and analysis is over. I've been rather enjoying it! Have you seen LatexMattress.org? They appear to be of PlushBeds.com. They seem to have a poor opinion of Blended Latex and of using Talalay for the bottom core layer(s). Any thoughts? GK |
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I did come across LatexMattress.org during my research and found a few pearls of wisdom there. But, you know...they view blended latex and using Talalay as a mattress core poorly, and just happen to also advertise only PlushBeds, who use natural latex and Dunlop cores. Imagine that? There's just a bit too much of that type of shilling in the mattress industry, which makes the independent mattress information sites like this one all the more useful. While all-natural latex layers would be nice to have, for myself I couldn't justify the cost difference for something that I was somewhat ambivalent about. And I'd rather have the multiple base layers than just one 6" core of latex for the greater flexibility. I believe that for the core layers in Talalay versus Dunlop, one is really looking at minimal differences in wear rates. It's the upper layers that are going to wear out first. And in my case, the top layer is all-natural Talalay anyway though not really by design; it just worked out that way. I'd have been just as happy with blended Talalay on top. But I'm also not terribly concerned with being all-natural, though even blended latex isn't nearly the nasty thing that memory foam is, IMO. If I was considering a Dunlop core and Talalay comfort layer (and I was), I'd get it from SleepEZ rather than PlushBeds. It costs less and allows for split layers. Their 8" special is a steal and was strongly in consideration by me. |
| I can understand recoiling at the disparity between natural and synthetic latex mattresses but for me, the price was worth it for the hypoallergenic qualities the natural type are especially renowned for. I have sensitive skin and irritation was always a background issue with my sleep, but the latex seems to negate this. Not really sure why but it works! |
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CurtisP wrote: I can understand recoiling at the disparity between natural and synthetic latex mattresses but for me, the price was worth it for the hypoallergenic qualities the natural type are especially renowned for. I have sensitive skin and irritation was always a background issue with my sleep, but the latex seems to negate this. Not really sure why but it works! No recoiling here. Synthetic Latex is molecularly equivalent to natural Latex... just doesn't have the natural impurities and can be exactly formulated. Blended Latex contains both. All are hypoallergenic... exhibiting 'less than the normal' allergens... sort of a vague claim at that. Blended Latex is formulated for the optimum characteristics of natural Latex and synthetic Latex... cell structure, consistency, durability, firmness range. etc with minor compromise such as natural's bit of 'bounce'. Blended Latex is put into commercial bedding products galore. I don't see a problem with it, allergen or otherwise. GK |
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danielrhall wrote: She’s about 5’4” and 130 pounds and I am 5’11” and 240 pounds. We both prefer softer mattresses and really dislike very firm mattresses. Hey Dan, Can you indicate your preferred sleep positions back/side/front in preferred order? And, when you say 'softer', can you clarify softer comfort or softer support? Him: 5'-11", 240 lbs. Prefers back/side/front? positions and softer comfort/support? I've added your DIY build to my notes. GK This message was modified Feb 16, 2013 by GKDesigns
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This really looks nice. However, i prefer organic mattresses. This message was modified Jun 5, 2013 by a moderator
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