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After initially being interested in the Sleepez Euro Innerspring Mattress with the latex topper it appears that they do not ship this model. As an alternative is anyone aware of any Innerspring Mattresses with latex top layers that avoid all the foam that the S brands use? Thanks. This message was modified Jun 16, 2009 by robdmb
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It seems Costco currently sells a latex bed made by Stearns and Foster that I might try. Its called the Dover Court and consists of the following:
All the latex layers should remain solid right and not subject to sagging? I know there is some foam in here too buy hopefully it would be ok. |
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Marshall wrote: im also glad you have decided against doing your own surgery on a mattress, in my opinion that is a very bad idea and the poster giving that advice is irresponsible for doing so. one of the highest paid and longest trained people making a mattress is the 'tape edger' his job is to seal the side material with the top and bottom, a special sewing machine is needed to properly secure the matt together as the stress this seem is put under when using the bed is very high, and if this goes the the whole unit will suffer, i could go on about the facts that many different glues react badly to foams and latex, and if they are not bonded they will creep, and the fact that many spring units use the material edgeing to keep some of there shape but im sure you get my point. i have been in the trade for a long time and spent a lot of time in many factorys and i would assure you that not even professional bed makers would try this with a home tool kit. good luck with your search and keep us posted on your outcome. Many folks on here have performed mattress surgery on a mattress that was just not right for them. It's not an irresponsible idea, it's often the very best decision they could make, given the circumstances they end up with. To replace the cheap PU foam that is in most all of the current S brand mattresses with a layer of latex or good memory foam has literally saved the mattress for many of these folks. Bill MY ADVICE THAT NEVER CHANGES No, you dont NEED a firm mattress. - Yes, alot of people not only want, but need a firm mattress. Whatever kind of mattress you choose, if its really cheap it WILL be crap. - On the whole, I would agree with this, but there are exceptions. If you shop right, cheap can be good. Buying a mattress topper just proves you didnt buy the right mattress. - That may be the case, but again, it often times is the very best solution to a nasty problem. If you have bought a mattress without trying it ... good luck! - I would agree with this, and also would offer good luck even if you have tried it. In fact, these are the worst cases...... go to the store, try it out, it's great in the store, and then after 3 nights it's literal hell! I know this one firsthand. This message was modified Jun 20, 2009 by BillB
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BillB wrote: </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica","sans-serif"">Many folks on here have performed mattress surgery on a mattress that was just not right for them. It's not an irresponsible idea, it's often the very best decision they could make, given the circumstances they end up with. To replace the cheap PU foam that is in most all of the current S brand mattresses with a layer of latex or good memory foam has literally saved the mattress for many of these folks. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Helvetica","sans-serif"">Bill</span></p><div class="size12" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN-TOP: 25px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px">MY ADVICE THAT NEVER CHANGES <p>No, you dont NEED a firm mattress. - <em><strong>Yes, alot of people not only want, but need a firm mattress.</strong></em></p><p>Whatever kind of mattress you choose, if its really cheap it WILL be crap. - <em><strong>On the whole, I would agree with this, but there are exceptions. If you shop right, cheap can be good.</strong></em></p><p>Buying a mattress topper just proves you didnt buy the right mattress. - <em><strong>That may be the case, but again, it often times is the very best solution to a nasty problem.</strong></em></p><p>If you have bought a mattress without trying it ... good luck! - <em><strong>I would agree with this, and also would offer good luck even if you have tried it. In fact, these are the worst cases...... go to the store, try it out, it's great in the store, and then after 3 nights it's literal hell! I know this one firsthand.</strong></em></p></div> my this could end up going on for a while, maybe we should get our own thread rather than take up room and highjack this one. but just let me know if your intrested to find out why your wrong on a lot of these points. i most certainly do not want to get into an argument over it but i do prefer to dispell misconceptions and help people make the right choice in the future. This message was modified Jun 20, 2009 by Marshall
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| I know there are big concerns about the S companies but can anyone comment on the seeming quality of the layers in the latex mattress described above? |
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In looking at this bed at the Costco site, its got a great big thick pillowtop, which will only break down in time. I know Costco has a wonderful return policy, but I would stay away from it. Do a search for pillowtops on this forum and you will almost universally find that they are not recommended, they are made of cheap PU foam that feels great for a while then breaks down and forms a rut. If you need more comfort for a firm mattress, a latex or memory foam topper will usually work for most people. |
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I am sorry, but I do not know of any, unless you go to an independant bedmaker. As for the poster's scolding for opening up one's bed and doing surgery on it to make it sleep better...what the heck? It is a crime that these bed companies sell us crappy foam in the mattress, and then don't honor their warranties. I've personally owned more beds in the last ten years than I care to think about, poured countless dollars down the drain in doing so, totally wasting my money. If more bed companies cared about the consumer's comfort then the mattresses so many of us are looking for(simple but quality components, thank you very much) would be widely available. They are NOT. So I did surgery on my last bed in frustration. That way I was able to tweak the inside layers and figure out what works best for me. Turns out there was way too much P/U foam in it, and I also did not like the feeling of the pocket coils. I've watched beds being made too. No great mystery there. Cool machine that binds the edges. But it is what is inside that counts. Kait This message was modified Jun 22, 2009 by Kait
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Kait wrote: I am sorry, but I do not know of any, unless you go to an independant bedmaker. <BR>As for the poster's scolding for opening up one's bed and doing surgery on it to make it sleep better...what the heck? It is a crime that these bed companies sell us crappy foam in the mattress, and then don't honor their warranties. I've personally owned more beds in the last ten years than I care to think about, poured countless dollars down the drain in doing so, totally wasting my money. If more bed companies cared about the consumer's comfort then the mattresses so many of us are looking for(simple but quality components, thank you very much) would be widely available. They are NOT. So I did surgery on my last bed in frustration. That way I was able to tweak the inside layers and figure out what works best for me. Turns out there was way too much P/U foam in it, and I also did not like the feeling of the pocket coils. <BR>I've watched beds being made too. No great mystery there. Cool machine that binds the edges. But it is what is inside that counts.<BR>Kait its amazing how many people have become so angry about my comments to the guy who first suggested surgery. i really am shocked at the responce to it, still it doesn't change my view on it but i am shocked. the site is called whatsthebest-mattress.com. from what i gather its where people will come when trying to make the decision on what mattress they are going to buy ..... we should be here helping them make the informed choices, not telling them i doesn't matter what you choose it will be rubbish anyway and you'll have to make it better. im sorry you have had so many mattresses in the last 10 years, it seems you must be getting very bad advice when you are going mattress shopping. |
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This is where I got my wonderful latex-on- springs mattress: http://www.baybed.com/ I happen to have LuraFlex coils rather than pocketed coils because I prefer the feel. I also have a thin, high quality layer of PU foam on the bottom. Layers of talalay latex on top. Zippered, quilted cover so I can tweak the layers if need be. I've had it for 2 years and just love it! |
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Marshall, I notice you're in the UK. Maybe they make mattresses differently there--the old fashioned way. But here in the US they make them out of layers and layers of crappy low-density convoluted foam, designed to feel great in the store and last for about six months once you get them home. Or the problem might just be that you view the issue from the industry perspective. The same industry that has spent millions developing and promoting overpriced mattresses designed to be replaced in three years or less because that is the effective lifespan of the materials they make them out of. The same industry that has the temerity to tell consumers that a six-month old mattress with obvious body impressions is actually a good thing because it means the mattress has imprinted to your personal shape. Yeah, right. It used to be you bought a mattress and it felt the same way in your bedroom that it felt in the store. And it felt the same way a year later--or five years, or even ten years. It used to be mattress manufacturers sold you a mattress built to last twenty years. Now they want to sell you one every two or three years and they make every effort to see that it happens. And it's next to impossible to find the "right" mattress because even if it felt right when you bought it it won't feel that way for very long. I'm one of those people with an "internet degree" in mattress making you take a condecending attitude toward, who cut open my year-old so-called luxury firm (gasp!) and replaced the crap inside with latex and 4lb memory foam, and take my word for it--it's a whole hell of a lot better now than it was when it left the factory. Who cares if the top is no longer firmly bound to the sides? I can't feel the difference. Well actually I can. It's more comfortable! You're very rigid in your viewpoint. But one size does NOT fit all. If you're adverse to mattress surgery don't attempt it. But you do people a great disservice advising them not to do it under any circumstances. Really. The world won't end if someone takes an X-acto knife to their mattress. In fact, I highly recommend it to those who are ready to chuck theirs out with the trash. You CAN make it better and enjoy a good night's sleep by taking matters into your own hands rather than play into the industry's hands by buying a new mattress every other year or so. And one more thing... Yeah, some people DO need a firm mattress. So there you are! |