My wife and I have been sleeping on a Sealy king mattress that we bought about 6 years ago. It's nothing fancy, just a firm, non-pillowtop, flippable mattress (but IIRC it was promoted as flipping "optional"). Though I spent $1000 for this no-frills mattress, I thought I was making an investment in something that would last for 10 years, just like the 'warranty' said. We flipped it a few times a year whenever we'd think about it, just to be on the safe side. For probably at least a year now we haven't been sleeping all that well. The usual: waking up, tossing, shifting positions often, arise in the morning with minor aches etc. My wife's been really having it worse. We thought it was due to her working as a dental hygienist and her pregnancy last year. This message was modified Aug 28, 2008 by LatencyMachine
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Must say this thread is very interesting. I am looking for a new mattress and have found this forum EXCEPTIONALLY valuable. However, I must admit I don't know how or where to begin with the softness/firmness issue of what type of latex to buy. I have done a lot of research and hear the benefits of Talalay and Dunlop and on this thread PU is being promoted. LatencyMachine ... have you received your phone and how is it working for you? I really like the concept of pulling out a layer and replacing it with something else when it has lost its support or is too soft. Much more reading to do. Thanks. |
My foam should be arriving this Thursday. I'll start a new topic once I've received it and tried it out. I just ordered my PU foam base layers (5" Lux-HQ, 1" HD36-HQ x 2) as a start. If I'm happy with it, I'll order some latex layers. I think one of the primary reasons people choose to DIY their mattress, is that they can experiment with various layer configurations at their own pace, and over several nights of sleeping. As far as latex goes, you are right about it being confusing and knowing where to start. I'm no closer to figuring it out than you are. To make matters worse, it seems that latex ILD varies depending on the batch and what slice you get off the core. I figure for $1000 or less I can get it right (E King). Some folks would rather buy from a store, then go through the hassle of returning, etc. I guess I would rather *potentially* have leftover layers from trial and error. At least I could try to sell them or give them away as toppers! Christmas presents? :) This message was modified Sep 8, 2008 by LatencyMachine
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OMG!!! I am NOT alone! I am so sick of this mattress thing, my husband calls me the Princess and the Pea! I too cut open my Stress-O-Pedic pillowtop mattress. It is now a quilted top, with its original 2 layers of soft foam under it and two inches of foam over pocket coils. I substituted a denser foam for the middle third of the bottom layer(yes, with my electric knife. A tip: have your spouse hold a yardstick across the bed, first marking exactly where you want to cut on either side...then use a marker to draw a line...then have the person hold the foam stable and cut with the electric knife. Very smooth) I have added/subtracted every piece of foam in my house(and I have lots of foam) to find that I think the pocket coils don't support my back. The darn thing sleeps pretty much the same(no lumbar support...my low back gets sore overnight, and siezes up)no matter what I've done. Today I spoke with the semi-local bedmaking guy(who I have had re-do this bed THREE TIMES since the first week we got it...then I tore into it with an exacto-knife)who assures me the problem is probably the springs. Great. However, he wants to replace the pocket coils with a Bonnell unit, which he claims is made in Germany and is the best there is. I am now seriously doubting that. What I think I am feeling in the bed, comparing it to two mattresses I've slept on out of town that totally fixed my low back pain in one to two nights max, is that the pocketed coils (a 713 Marshall unit)don't seem to push UP and support my back from beneath like other innersprings do. I just sink. Others support by pushing up as I push down, is the best way I have to explain. This bedmaker did tell me to put something between the mattress and boxspring to support the low spot at one time when I was having problems with another bed, so your idea is not absurd. Tonight I plan to put something under the springs on top of their bed of foam to see if that helps the support issue. I want to know if I can buy a Luraflex innerspring to put in my bed to check out how that feels. Kait |
Yeah my wife has since put a towel or two under her side, with good results. I've been sleeping great since I put that blanket under there. It's been about 2 weeks now and I can honestly say I cannot recall the last time I've consistently felt as comfortable in bed as I have been. I'm really liking the memory foam underneath the padded ticking and the extra mattress pad. Not hot at all... and we are in the Houston area! |
Hi Kate, Have you read my old posts about my custom mattress configuration? My local mattress guy who does an excellent job of providing zippered mattresses with latex layers, as well as high density foam (if you want) also uses Marshall pocketed coils (if you choose a spring unit). However, after I bought it and tried them, we both came to the conclusion that this type of coil just wasn't supportive enough for my back. So it was easy to replace them with a open offset LuraFlex coil. (from Leggett & Platt). MUCH better! I'm not sure where you can order them. I happen to have two XL Twins inside an Eastern King frame. Easier to lift and change layers around. Good luck! I know it's a pain not to have your mattress feeling like you want. My husband can almost sleep on anything! NOT ME!! I'm also a Princess and the Pea. :) http://baybed.com/ |
I do believe that is exactly what I need to do! I do NOT want to buy another bed and trash this one. I've returned TWO Restonics and gave away a 3 1/2 month old Stearns and Foster in the last year alone. Before that I gave away a nearly new latex mattress and a Select Comfort(to the kids, at least). Ridiculous. I'm at a point that if somebody sells me another new, expensive mattress that doesn't work, I'm going to see red! I just looked up your bedmaker...I used to live in Santa Cruz! How fun! Figures that a really good bedmaker would be there, LOL! I'll have to take a road trip. The reason I think it is the springs is that is the only part of this bed I haven't changed out. Also, I have had good nights sleep on spring mattresses when I've been out of town. In Colorado recently I slept on a Sealy Crown Jewel mattress which healed my back in two nights. That mattress was five years old! Lately I slept on another Sealy(or possibly Serta, one of the S's) mattress with springss, and box springs also with springs...my husband and I both liked the feel. I checked the labels and the mattress was '05 and the box springs was '04, so not new. I think that whatever springs they use are the best for me! Thanks for your help. Kait This message was modified Sep 11, 2008 by Kait
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You're on the right track. No doubt the problem is the pocket coil spring unit. Pocket coils contour to your body and provide a support level similar to latex. And that didn't work for you either. Your back will probably improve on an innerspring unit that provides rigid support to your hips and lumbar region. This is why you felt better after a few nights on an other kind of innerspring mattress. Bonnel springs are the oldest form of innerspring. Luraflex is a more modern adaptation. Both units will provide good rigid support for your problem areas. For those of us with certain kinds of back issues nothing is better than a good old fashion innerspring mattress--with the addition of individually customized toppers. Just remember, the less foam of any kind you can put over the springs and still be comfortable the better for your back. The more foam you put over the springs the more you compromise the quality of support. |
Amen to that. I make saddles and saddle pads, and have learned a great deal about foam in the last ten years. One thing I learned early on was that foam dies. It may look perfect, and feel fine to the hand, but it loses its rebound effect. Every time foam is compressed some of the little air bubbles inside break and the foam loses some of its life. It is very important to saddle pads... and beds! When I got down to the springs(Marshall unit) and just the 2" of PU foam over it and I was still sore in my lumbar area...and my hips hurt....that was when I realized that foam was only part of the problem(difficult to figure out exactly how much of what to use...not cheap for a CA King!) and the springs weren't supportive enough. The thing that makes me hesitate about getting a new bed(but my daughter is first in line for this one....she's 21 and sleeps just fine on it) is that the most local bed maker uses Bonnell springs, which according to a study done by the Utah State University the Bonnell springs are the cheapest. Does that mean not quality? Not sure. What I want to do is figure out what springs are in the beds that I've used and liked, and find a NEW bed with those, limited foam on top, zippered cover, and get that. I liked the Sealy Crown Jewel(made about 5 years ago)which healed my back pain in two nights when I slept on it in Denver. I wonder what springs that had? My bed guy and my husband both said that tempering steel makes it more brittle and last less time. So much information seems to contradict itself. My local bedmaker uses non-tempered Bonnell springs(made in Germany, if that makes any difference). Oh, AND a new King is about $1900. Still wading through the info...any other info your bed guy has to shed light on this? I called day before yesterday and spoke with a guy who worked there. He seemed somewhat disinterested in answering my questions, told me to call back yesterday and speak to the owner, but I had no time then. Kait |
I tend to think you're right since I had that similar issue with the Marshall coils I slept on. My lower back is what bothered me the most. I felt like the springs were just not holding me up. My mattress guy tried a couple of other things to no avail, until he decided it just had to be the springs. He was right. LuraFlex still helps with decreased motion as do the pocketed coils. But they just feel stronger and more supportive under my back. Even when I took off my latex/foam layers and put my hands on the coils, they just seem to "give" too much. The wire gauge is just too thin for me. One thing though. I slept one on a Westin Heavenly Bed which is a Simmons Beautyrest with those pocketed coils and LOVED IT! Now I'm not sure because it was just one night, or if the bedding was nicer than some hotels. Or it could have been that I was just exhausted from walking all over Seattle! :) Either way, I was never tempted to buy one of those mattresses. Funny that you used to live in Santa Cruz! I was born and raised here. The mattress guy has lived here almost all his life. I hope he keeps his store open for a long time to come! Take that road trip and come and check out their beds! ************************************************************ Kait wrote: I do believe that is exactly what I need to do! I do NOT want to buy another bed and trash this one. I've returned TWO Restonics and gave away a 3 1/2 month old Stearns and Foster in the last year alone. Before that I gave away a nearly new latex mattress and a Select Comfort(to the kids, at least). Ridiculous. I'm at a point that if somebody sells me another new, expensive mattress that doesn't work, I'm going to see red! I just looked up your bedmaker...I used to live in Santa Cruz! How fun! Figures that a really good bedmaker would be there, LOL! I'll have to take a road trip. The reason I think it is the springs is that is the only part of this bed I haven't changed out. Also, I have had good nights sleep on spring mattresses when I've been out of town. In Colorado recently I slept on a Sealy Crown Jewel mattress which healed my back in two nights. That mattress was five years old! Lately I slept on another Sealy(or possibly Serta, one of the S's) mattress with springss, and box springs also with springs...my husband and I both liked the feel. I checked the labels and the mattress was '05 and the box springs was '04, so not new. I think that whatever springs they use are the best for me! Thanks for your help. Kait This message was modified Sep 14, 2008 by BeddyBye
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I recently bought 2 sealy beds for my home and sleeping has become my number one hobby.... No seriously, they are the very essence of comfort and I recommend all to choose sealy beds for their next purchase.... This message was modified Sep 30, 2008 by Wiseness
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