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Hello all, still on my hunt for a good bed. My wife and I were originally looking at a Kingsdown Sleep to Live 800 Series (red/blue), but after reading some reviews we were a little skid dish and decided to look at a latex bed. Now I know there are a lot of on-line companies like Sleepez and FloBeds, but buying a bed untested from an online retailer just is a little too inconvenient as we have to deal with shipping cost if we get the firmness wrong. So we went back to my local Sleepy’s to look at what they have to offer for latex beds. Turns our they just received the new line of Dr. Breus latex beds that same day which are made by IBC. We tried all five models and narrowed it down to two. As this is a brand new line of beds it is hard for me to find on-line detailed specs. I know the salesperson tells me the bed is entirely Talalay latex, but I would like to confirm that from another source. Does anyone have anything they can share on me these beds? Or if there are any other recommendations of other beds we should look at? Thanks all. Dan |
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Now, it seems quite clear to me that you - this site - is definitely selling something. What is it? are you a manufacturer are you a competitor of sleepy's or Dr Bruce? I shop online all the time and give reviews and comments and have never seen such pointed comments about something as basic as a bed. The reason i have information is that i emailed Dr Breus myself. That's right, I got to the horse's mouth and the paper tag was incorrect due to a computer system failure so that is not even a true issue. All of his beds according to him have soy based poly foam (fine by me) and talalay latex(also fine by me). he makes them like a chef makes great sauces and he will not discuss what quantities are at what levels. When i asked he was very polite and commented that what would the developer of the IPHONE say if we challenged that it only used certain components - they would say go pound sand...WELL i am quite insulted by your comments and inference that i am in this business(am an independent business man). You on the other hand Seem to be in business to sell what you make or have in stock somewhere. so before you come on too strong, get your facts straight from the horses mouth too.
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The "paper tag" is not incorrect ... but I have to say whoever told you about the "computer glitch" was creative. There is a lot of great information on this forum about "soy based" poly foam and what they are and where they come from, including in some recent threads. The word that is most commonly used to describe how they are being marketed is "greenwashing". It is nothing more than regular poly with usually less than 20% soy based polyols that are being incorrectly promoted (by many manufacturers not just Dr Breus or more correctly IBC who manufactures the mattress) as being green. It is just another version of poly. It's a step in "kind of" "sort of" the right direction but soy based products themselves have other issues which are far from green. The reason for the "plant based" polyols in the first place is because of the well known issues surrounding polyfoams themselves (lots of information here about that as well). This forum primarily exists to educate and perhaps give some counterbalance to the claims and practices of many manufacturers and outlets. The mattress industry as a whole and as it has evolved is filled with the kind of misinformation and deceptive practices that make buying a quality mattress more and more difficult. It seems that you too have "come to believe" that some of these claims are true. These are exactly the kind of claims that when believed would prevent a consumer from looking elsewhere and finding a much higher quality mattress at a better price. Adding "names" to a manufacturer's line is another way used to deceive consumers. Being an expert in sleep clearly does not translate into being an expert on mattress construction any more than being an expert in business like "Donald Trump" makes him qualified to build anything more than a more expensive mattress that is filled with materials that will not keep their "temporarily comfortable" properties. I would much rather judge a matttress by what is actually in it and what is known about those materials than by what someone wants me to believe is in it. This forum is filled with stories of people who made buying decisions based on hype and misinformation and unfortunately ... it cost them a lot of money ... and even worse in some cases their back or their health. If you search for "polyol" and "celsion" and "outlast" and other things you will see how much information is on this forum (and on the legacy forum before it) ... and that the "phase change" properties of his mattress are a side effect of materials that are commonly available to anyone including those here who choose to construct their own mattress. They would not even normally be necessary in a Talalay latex mattress as they were made primarily to offset the heat issues of many memory foams. There is nothing mysterious about them that is anything like a "great sauce". You are still misinformed but to your credit you have challenged what someone else said which is a good thing ... and the same thing the members of this forum quickly learn to do with most of the claims made by mattress manufacturers and typical sales outlets. If you do a little more homework ... including checking out the "truth" and the context of the information in this thread and how you challenged it ... you will see why I replied as I did. Phoenix This message was modified Nov 30, 2010 by Phoenix
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| What can I say. You just don't want to answer my questions. You go on and on about this and that, but WHO ARE YOU. I bought my bed in Tampa at famous tate's where I have shopped for many years. This seems like a ruse to me - you must be sellinfg mattresses so that only yours are the good ones. It really is pretty transparent to me and anyone with time to really read your comments. You know everything about everything and that is just too good to be true. Hopefully, others will join me in the criticism of your approach here. I looked for some comfort that my buying decision was good instead you accuse and throw the company I bought under the bus. Please get more professional soon or you won't have any more people to give advice to. Remember when something is too good to be true - isn't. Sound like your site??? What do others think?? |
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I'm not sure which question I haven't answered but to post on this forum requires a disclosure if you are in any way connected to the mattress industry. Some of my earlier posts (if you search them) will tell you more about my "journey" regarding mattresses but I have no connection in any way, direct or indirect, to any part of the mattress or bedding industry including this forum. If this ever were to change I would disclose it here so that any opinions I expressed or links I posted that could in any way be affected by where I worked or what I did could take this into account. There are many others here whose opinions, knowledge, and experience are highly valued who have already done this. I should also add that there are many others who will read this thread long after it dies and that what it says and the accuracy of the information in it may affect their buying decision as well. When you come to a forum like this and post "We just bought our signature at Sleepy's. Unfortunately, all of you are looking at this the wrong way." in your very first post, I think it's only reasonable to expect that your opinions will be questioned and challenged. Is there anything else I haven't answered for you? Phoenix PS: In your first post you mentioned you had just bought your mattress at Sleepy's which has descriptions of the mattress on their site. In your last post you say "I bought my bed in Tampa at famous tate's where I have shopped for many years" and they don't have a description of the Dr Breus on their site (although they do have the brand listed in their brands). Sleepy's also doesn't have an outlet in Florida listed on their site. Is Famous Tate's the same as Sleepy's? Where did you actually buy your mattress? This message was modified Nov 30, 2010 by Phoenix
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| You still don't want to answer my questions. I will however answer yours. I have two homes one in NY and one in Florida and have purchased two Dr Breus beds. Now, after spending this time online with our conversation i am concerned about my decision. What should i buy?? I guess that is the real issue. IF the beds are poor quality and over priced i will return them to both retailers. That would be unfortunate, do you really not think they are of value. I dont feel like i was taken advantage of but you never know. I am a good shopper that is why i am curious about what you think i should or should have purchased and even where you think i should have or make the purchase. I could use real honest advice and havent been sure that yours is without an ulterior motive. So, please convince me of your honesty, beyond your not being in the mattress business-which still does not resonnate well with me since i cannot get what you are getting out of this - just a feel good experience to help others, i am ok with that so please help me...thanks |
| What is Flobed seems to be the suggested company to buy from. Do they offer good quality products, how do they compare to the Dr. Breus mattresses. Maybe I should get one of those. What do you think Phoenix... |
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The difference between high-quality mattress factory stores like Flobed and Sleep EZ, and hype-driven mass-market sellers like Dr. Breus, is the same as the difference between Porsche, BMW and Oldsmobile. At one end you have limited-production, handcrafted products made by committed experts, using the best materials available; at the other, you have a cookie-cutter copy of a hundred other models, with nearly every financial corner cut to maximize profit, and depending on intense hype and big-name puffery to sell it. Maybe you don't want a "Porsche" or "BMW" mattress. Maybe an Olds or Chevy one is exactly what you want. If that's the case, you should buy a damned good Olds or Chevy at an Olds/Chevy price, not an overpriced muffin made from the same materials as mattresses half its price. Do the kind of research and lay-on testing Phoenix has detailed in his many posts, and then drive the hardest bargain you can for the mattress that meets your preferences and has appropriate quality inside it. You do understand that Dr. Breus has next to nothing to do with the mattresses' design or manufacture, but is just a figurehead being used to sell an overpriced, underbuilt line of products? It's done all the time in every product field, and 99 times out of 100, the big name puffing the product is just a hired shill who was approached by a manufacturer/marketer, not the other way around. |
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Wow Gunner ... well said. I have to copy and memorize that one :). As to Flobeds, I believe they offer a very high quality product that would in every way be superior to Dr Breus ... but having said that I believe that they too for most circumstances are overpriced compared to other options. I'll probably get some argument about that ... and so it should be ... but it is what I believe. I do appreciate them for sponsoring this forum (it is independently owned) and for being a leader (among many others) in a new direction of mattress manufacturing but they could do better in their price/value offerings IMO. If you take a look at the many threads in which I have given people multiple options that my research has uncovered, you will notice that most of them are smaller local manufacturers that specifically offer something that in my opinion meets the needs of the person in the thread or other "do it yourself" options that I believe have something valuable and/or unique to offer. You will also notice that I have never narrowed down their choice to a specific manufacturer as I believe the final choice is up to the individual. I have talked with literally dozens of manufacturers in my own search about their mattresses, their prices, and why and how they build them. Most of them were amazingly open in sharing information with me. What is suitable to one is not to another as they each offer a different combination of risk, benefits, and value. For example I have not often even mentioned the place I bought my mattress in most of the threads I have posted because buying a manufactured mattress sight unseen as I did without the reasonable possibility of return or a layer exchange as offered by flobeds, sleepez (and many others I have linked to in my posts) would represent too great a risk. There are probably about 100 manufacturers and outlets that I believe offer amazing value but that value and the benefits that go with it are part of personal choice. What they offer and how it benefits each person is part of what each person needs to research for themselves. I am happy that I have been able to uncover many sources that have rarely if ever been mentioned in this forum in it's 10 year history and without that research and the choices they represent there are people on this forum that would not even know some of the choices they had. My own search for a matttress that would suit my other half (and me of course) led to the beginning of this research. I was amazed at what I uncovered and the research sort of took on a life of it's own. I tend to be a researcher by nature (and profession) anyway and more about this is in some of my earlier threads. I actually enjoy doing this and for the moment I have the time and interest to do it ... even though my mattress search is over. There have been many others who have continued here after their mattress search has ended and contributed hundreds of posts with amazing information long after they "needed to". Sadly many of these are no longer here but there are always new ones to take up where they left off. For the moment and for as long as I enjoy it and am able to I am one of these "new ones". Part of this is just from gratitude from how much I learned here. There are many here who have been around a lot longer than I have and many who are part of the industry which gives them a unique perspective and I really applaud them for taking the time to keep posting. I could probably say a lot more but if anything I tend to go on too long anyway so I'll leave it at that. And yes I really do believe that there are at least 100 places or options where you could do better than the Dr Breus mattress ... although not all of them may be suitable for what you are looking for. Phoenix PS: I'm sill not sure what in your previous posts I haven't answered. If you could ask it again I would appreciate it. This message was modified Dec 1, 2010 by Phoenix
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| Phoenix I just wanted to thank you for your information. We decided to keep Dr Breus in both houses. My wife hasn't had a hot night since we got the beds. Even I sleep better at night. It seems like the feel and comfort is more important to us than the details. I wish you good luck with your new bed. Seems like you need to have those details - I am not able to take the time and effort to look that deeply into the technology. Fo me it is how well it does its job. After all I bought better sleep not just a mattress. Again thanks... |
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YW I would agree that all of us are buying "better sleep" and part of the equation is "better sleep for how long?". In the end, only time will answer that question for each of us. Enjoy your mattresses. No matter what any of us decide, our own informed choices are the most important thing of all :) Phoenix |