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I have layered together a latex mattress (firm dunlop core, 3 layers of 1" latex, the last two being 24 and 22 Talalay ILD. But...my husband and I both toss and turn with pressure point pain in the hips starting half way through the night although everything else about the mattress is comfortable. We're considering ordering a Flo-beds convoluted latex topper to see if it provides enough cushion so we don't wake up sore, which they said they would sell separately. Hate to spend the money and go to the trouble of sending it back if it really won't change things for us. Has anyone who has used it noticed a difference? Any before and after stories? All comments welcome...Thanks. This message was modified Feb 27, 2010 by Sabra
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Sabra wrote: I have layered together a latex mattress (firm dunlop core, 3 layers of 1" latex, the last two being 24 and 22 Talalay ILD. But...my husband and I both toss and turn with pressure point pain in the hips starting half way through the night although everything else about the mattress is comfortable. We're considering ordering a Flo-beds convoluted latex topper to see if it provides enough cushion so we don't wake up sore, which they said they would sell separately. Hate to spend the money and go to the trouble of sending it back if it really won't change things for us. Has anyone who has used it noticed a difference? Any before and after stories? All comments welcome...Thanks. Sabra: This is only a guess but based upon the information you have given I would guess that you already have too soft of layering of your latex now. Thus you are not getting the kind of support that your body needs. Rather than looking for more soft latex, convoluted or not, I would be considering removing at least two of your soft Talalay layers and replacing them with at least a medium Talalay(28ILD) if not a firm layer of Talalay(32ILD). Natural latex is generally sliced to 3 inch thicknesses. Blended latex is thinner usually 2.8 inches. If FloBeds is willing to work with you and sell you individual layers(I didn't know they did this unless you already own a FloBeds) then I would talk to them about it and see what they would recommend. But it definitely sounds like you're topmost layers of soft Talalay are causing your problems. Again this is purely a guess on my part. Talk to Dave or Dewey Turner and get their professional opinion. This message was modified Feb 27, 2010 by eagle2
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Sabra, I agree with eagle2. My hips were bothering me on the softer (medium) top I first had from Flobeds until I firmed up the entire bed as well as put an XF base layer under everything. Sorry, don't recall the ILD of the XF but eagle2 provided the other data. Hope this confirmation of eagle2's assessment helps. TJ |
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Here from the Flobeds web site is there info on ILD's. If it is done correctly you should receive an ILD in the middle range. I.E. medium should be about 28 ILD. Like I said previously I received one that was 26.2 ILD, that was labeled medium. A rather soft medium! Remember this, "It is also called IFD, or Indention Force Deflection. So don't get confused if you see this designation. They both mean the same thing!
This message was modified Mar 1, 2010 by eagle2
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I also agree. Sounds like too much soft latex. Maybe instead of ordering a topper just try taking off one or two layers of the Talalay. |
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Sabra wrote: I have layered together a latex mattress (firm dunlop core, 3 layers of 1" latex, the last two being 24 and 22 Talalay ILD. But...my husband and I both toss and turn with pressure point pain in the hips starting half way through the night although everything else about the mattress is comfortable. We're considering ordering a Flo-beds convoluted latex topper to see if it provides enough cushion so we don't wake up sore, which they said they would sell separately. Hate to spend the money and go to the trouble of sending it back if it really won't change things for us. Has anyone who has used it noticed a difference? Any before and after stories? All comments welcome...Thanks.
By hip pressure, I assume you mean it feels to "hard" on the hips? Do you have any back pain? Overall does the mattress seem soft and you feel like you sink in a lot? Or does it seem fairly firm? Some people do find latex can be slightly hard after you lay on it for a while and it compresses. Others are not bothered by this at all. Anyway, the others have recommended an easy test. Take off 1 of the top 2 inches and see if it gets better or worse. |
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Sandman and I usually agree, but with this statement I disagree. Sandman said: "Some people do find latex can be slightly hard after you lay on it for a while and it compresses. Others are not bothered by this at all." I have found laying on latex, at least all natural latex, to feel exactly the opposite of what Sandman refers to as, "slightly hard after you lay on it for while and it compresses." This has not been my experience. A blended latex mattress might feel this way but I cannot comment on blended as my experience with blended has been quite limited, but my all natural Talalay latex mattress actually softens slightly as it warms from my body temperature. We are all built differently, and respond differently to latex. So my observation may not conform to others experience at all. But I have giving this topic quite a bit of thought regarding natural Talalay latex and this softening business, and it makes pretty good sense to me that heat will cause the latex to soften slightly. Talalay latex is quite resilient and will handle this softening and firming up characteristic innumerable times without experiencing any permanent compression. This in my opinion is the principal benefit of natural Talalay latex. My time with natural latex is quite limited, approximately 6 months now, but I have yet to hear of any permanent sagging or compression of natural Talalay latex over time from other people who have reported on this forum. This message was modified Mar 1, 2010 by eagle2
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It is possible that the blended and natural will be different. I did notice the hip pressure more when I was using the blended latex flobed (especially when I first got it). The latex I am using it now is suppose to be 100% natural (all though I am not 100% sure that it is), and it is less noticeable. The 100% natural is suppose to be more "resiliant", so not sure if that would be the difference. Although, I don't actally think the latex gets any firmer after laying on it, just that in its compressed state it is fairly firm and that can create a sense of pressure over time. I at least experience that feeling a bit (not so much to really bother me at this point), but as I said it does not bother most people. Dunlop may be even more noticeable in this, and part of what Jimsocal calls the pushing back effect? My experience also is that memory foam is better at relieving the pressure points, but it just does not provide enough support for most people. As we have all said, try it with one less inch of the soft latex on top and see if it gets better or worse. One thing we have all learned is that everyone is different, so you will have to experiment for yourself to really figure it out. This message was modified Mar 1, 2010 by sandman
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sandman wrote: I am not sure I agree with the others on this. I think the 2" you have on top can be okay, if everything else is pretty firm. What is the other 1"? How thick and how firm is the dunlop core? What is the foundation? I personally have found that 2" of 24 talalay over a fairly firm base is not too soft, and can actually feel slightly too firm on my hips. By hip pressure, I assume you mean it feels to "hard" on the hips? Do you have any back pain? Overall does the mattress seem soft and you feel like you sink in a lot? Or does it seem fairly firm? Some people do find latex can be slightly hard after you lay on it for a while and it compresses. Others are not bothered by this at all. Anyway, the others have recommended an easy test. Take off 1 of the top 2 inches and see if it gets better or worse. I agree Sandman...what I meant to say by softer top, is that until I really firmed up the bottom by putting in the XF base and firm middle, the softer top was really soft. It needed a very firm foundation to feel better. TJ |
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TJ12 wrote: I agree Sandman...what I meant to say by softer top, is that until I really firmed up the bottom by putting in the XF base and firm middle, the softer top was really soft. It needed a very firm foundation to feel better. TJ
In thinking about this more, Sabra may be bottoming out on the firm dunlop base, especially if that third inch is not very firm, and if the latex on top is not the highest quality (and therefore lower density). There may not be enough transition between fairly firm dunlop and the softer comfort level on top. I have not used dunlop, but from what I have heard it can be very firm. So, firm in that might feel even firmer than the XF blended talalay I used in the Flobed. TJ, what do you have on top of your XF & F base levels? |
| I now have the FloBed Firm VZone (which is not all firm)...which I softened in a few spots that were too firm (I.E. it was XF under the knees, I have firm now..might even go softer). But even when I had the medium on top, I found it worked better once I put the XF on the bottom. |