Got my foam layers from SleepEZ
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I got my foam today. Haven't tried laying on it yet. Took some photos which I will post tomorrow probably in this thread. Not entirely thrilled with the firmness and quality of the latex. One of the pieces has a fair amount of imperfections and the other piece has a glued seam all along the vertical length of the twin, about 2 and 1/4" in from the edge. It's a very hard seam from the glue and I think if I were to lay on it I would feel it, even under, say, a wool topper. If it were a King size I could understand the need for a glued seam, but a twin? Seems a bit sketchy to me. Also, this following problem is not at all SleepEZ's fault, unless what they are selling as a 32ILD is nowhere near that, but I already had a piece of 3/4"-1" latex that I estimated to be about a 24ILD. So I ordered a medium Talalay 1" thinking it would be better for support. But the one I got from SleepEZ seems to be just as soft as the one I have already; so either I estimated wrong (most likely) or they sent me something on the very low end of "Medium" (listed at their site as 32). So I would not have bought that piece had I known it was going to be pretty much exactly like the piece (actually I have 2 like this) that I already have. This is the piece with the seam as well. The Dunlop piece seems a LITTLE more firm than that and is 1.5" so it may work for me. Also it is exactly 1 and 3/4 inches thick not 1½, so that is good in my case, I think. However, I do think they should be more exact on their site about the thickness. Could be that someone really wants exactly 1½ inch, not 1 and 3/4 inch... I mean, why not describe it on the site as it is? I'll try sleeping on the Dunlop 1 and 3/4" natural "Medium" ILD tonight and see how it feels and report back with a "first night's impression" tomorrow probably. Also I'll post the photos of the imperfections and get you guys' and girls' opinions on whether or not it is within the realm of acceptable or not considering these are not discounted prices. And just fyi, this is the first latex I ever bought that did not come compressed. It was just rolled and covered in plastic in a big box. Maybe they only compress the bigger pieces...? This message was modified Jan 27, 2010 by jimsocal
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Re: Got my foam layers from SleepEZ
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Right Leo. I have gone through that changing the bed thing when it was really only my back that was the problem, not the bed. Sometimes it's hard to tell... But unless the bed is KILLING me I generally do try to put up with it for a couple nights before I start making any major changes. Sometimes if I'm really hurting though, I'll make a minor change like adding or changing the very top layer, though, just in hopes of having a slightly better night... but I try to keep notes on any changes so if I find things not getting better I can go back to the last configuration that felt better... This time I'm letting it ride... Don't expect to hear from sleepez until Monday. I wrote them an email, sent photos, told them what I wanted to do, so we'll see. I have my guess how this is going to go but hopefully it will go well... Sure wish flobeds sold layers! I know with them it would be easy... But we'll see how sleepez resonds... |
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I strained my back cleaning the bathroom a couple days ago so I cannot expect a perfect night of sleep. The night before last was okay but not great. 4th night report: I left the mattress in the same configuration as the previous night, and I had a very good night. of sleep last night! I slept a pretty solid 8 hours, and then layed in bed for about another hour listening to the radio with my wife. So after that extra hour of laying down, my back did feel a little bit stiff and a tiny bit sore. But had I gotten up after having slept for 8 hours, it would've been fine. I am going to leave it for now... I am very tempted to try tweaking it just a LITTLE to add just a little more comfort with only a 1/2" of memory foam (I know; it's crazy; memory foam never works for me!) ... but I will leave it alone at least for tonight, maybe for a while... I'll try to keep it basically the same for at least a month. So all in all I am very happy with the FEEL of the Talalay I got from SleepEZ. Not happy at all with the quality of it, having a lot of flaws and all... In fact were it not that I were afraid of not finding another piece with this exact same feel, I would return the Talalay as well, just based on that ugly and poorly done seam down the vertical side. As to the Dunlop I am going to either return it or sell it. I find it hard to believe it is a Medium. It feels like at least a Firm and perhaps a VERY Firm to me; whereas the Talalay feels closer to a Soft than a Medium. In other words, I think it is misleading to call these both "Medium". I'm not saying they are intentionally misleading anyone, but I think it is just misleading. I would call the Dunlop a Firm and call the Talalay a somewhat soft medium. If I were them I would at least warn people that the Dunlop is much firmer feeling than the Talalay. I figured that to be true, but not to this extent. However, I owe thanks to whoever it was who said that it just might be that the HR foam I had, was the culprit in my mattress suddenly "not working" for me. This latex replacement seems to have solved the problem, and while there may be some tweaking to do - or not - this is at least in the right vicinity of where I want to be. Good news. This message was modified Feb 1, 2010 by jimsocal
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Re: Got my foam layers from SleepEZ
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The ILD is 32 right? On another post I mentioned the samples I got from Sleeplikeabear 32 felt just like my 26. Yes this was talalay blend, not natural like yours, but I think that 26 to 32 just isn't enough change IMHO. As for the Dunlop I have no clue why it is so firm for medium. You sound exactly, I mean exactly like me with my memory foam piece I keep slapping back on the bed for a while, then I take it off for a while, then repeat, and repeat...... Looking for that 100% instead of that 88% comfort I guess, LOL. Keep us posted. |
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Leo3 wrote: The ILD is 32 right? On another post I mentioned the samples I got from Sleeplikeabear 32 felt just like my 26. Yes this was talalay blend, not natural like yours, but I think that 26 to 32 just isn't enough change IMHO. As for the Dunlop I have no clue why it is so firm for medium. You sound exactly, I mean exactly like me with my memory foam piece I keep slapping back on the bed for a while, then I take it off for a while, then repeat, and repeat...... Looking for that 100% instead of that 88% comfort I guess, LOL. Keep us posted. The Medium latex is posted on the SleepEZ site as being 30-32 ILD but when I ordered it he seemed very careful to refer to it as "MEDIUM", not as "30-32 ILD". Not sure if that means anything. The piece actually has a MEDIUM sticker on it but I don't know if it's their sticker or from the factory. They have their "FIRM" latex designated as 38-40 and I swear, to me, this feels more like a 38 than a 30-32! I have owned a flobeds before so know something about latex. Maybe I am wrong in this case, but if I am, all I can say is that their 30-32 Dunlop natural feels more like a Talalay 36-38. As to trying to get that 100% comfort: Yes! Because I have felt it! I have had it on my friend's guest mattress, I have had it in a hotel... but those mattresses I have had 100% comfort on are never available to purchase! Old, or specially made... etc... I think this current set up is very close, so you can't blame me for thinking maybe I can tweak it a little. But I'm keeping notes so if I do get "off course", I can get back to where I was! "Leaving crumbs" so to speak! Right now I am realizing I still have a 1/2" of HR foam on the bottom layer and "I wonder what it would be like without that?"  But I'm going to stay with what I've got at least for another night or two... Stay tuned.  |
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I am very impressed with SleepEZ and would encourage people to go ahead and buy from them, as I would also now that they have admitted they made a mistake and resolved it in a positive manner. Anyone can make a mistake and what counts is when the President of the Company admits it and makes amends. Shawn, the President of SleepEZ got my email today and called me right away on the phone. I had sent him photos of the pieces as are in this thread. He said they were going to refund my $49 shipping and refund the Talalay layer which he said, "It should not have gone out like that." He said I can keep both layers and not return either one. Since I had decided I did not want to return the Talalay because it was the "perfect" ILD, this works fine for me. Better than fine because I don't have to go to the hassle of packaging it up, shipping it and all that! And even though the Talalay piece was/is bad, who knows if I could find another one exactly like it, even from them - because they do vary at times... so I wanted to keep that one. So this is a very fair resolution to my complaint and I really appreciate that they did not argue with me or question anything, they just said "You are right, it shouldn't have gone out like that, and we'll refund your shipping and the cost of the one piece." This is how a company should be run. He did say that the Dunlop pieces do tend to have imperfections so it was not so unusual to be like that, but the other piece was a mistake and should not have been shipped and he apologized. I'm so glad to have this resolved in such an amicable and professional manner! Good for SleepEZ! |
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5th NIGHT REPORT: I slept very good again last night. By gosh, I'm almost ready to think I have found the answer! [for me] I slept good for a full 8 hours, did not toss and turn and woke up with ZERO back pain! YES! I'm going to continue my reports here for another 2 nights and if I'm still sleeping good I will stop my reports here until or unless my mattress "gives out" again. |
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Yesterday I had to do "back breaking" work again. I really wish I could afford to pay someone to do these things for me but someone has to do things like cleaning bathrooms, mopping floors, carrying water bottles, etc. and I can't afford to pay anyone. So I when I went to bed last night my back was SORE and hurting. I thought, "Man, I am going to toss and turn tonight and wake up sore tomorrow!" Negative thinking, yes, but my experience told me it was true. 6th NIGHT's SLEEP I slept very well - felt no back pain during the night - and woke up with NO back pain! WOW! This is fantastic. Better than I could have hoped for. I'm not touching my mattress configuration! |
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What exactly is your configuration now? Sorry, think I just found it. I assume it hasn't changed from below? Funny how you are "afraid" of the dunlop. Sounds like you have a crocodile in bed with you... NOW: To my 2nd night's sleep: This message was modified Feb 2, 2010 by sandman
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It liked to kill me the previous night! (not saying Dunlop is bad, just that this piece in this ILD did not work at all, for me)
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sandman wrote: What exactly is your configuration now? On top of my old Sealy "box springs" which is really just a wooden box with a little bit of spring to the top of it:1) springs (Englander 12.5 gauge) (Bonnell? I think...)(impossible to get a straight answer from dealer OR from the manufacturer as to exactly what they are!  )2) 1/4" cheap memory foam to protect the foam above from the springs (this came with my original Sealy mattress) I doubt it has much if any effect on the overall feel. 3) super firm 1/2" HR foam - I think it was a 40ILD or perhaps even 42-44. (I am guessing this may soon need replacing.) 4) natural 1" thick Talalay layer from SleepEZ 5) my old Talalay 3/4" thick layer that is probably a 28ILD (now that I compare it to this one which is supposed to be 32ILD.) 6) wool topper which is a very nice one FloBeds used to sell, cost around $250 for King (In the past I have said that although I liked it I could not use it because it was non-supportive; but with THIS configuration it seems to be working perfectly.) NO MEMORY FOAM!* (except that layer that just sinks into the springs to protect the foam above it) I think the reason the wool bothered my back before was because the 1" (sometimes I used 2") HR foam I replaced with the Talalay above, had given out to the point it was not giving me support. So the added non-support of the wool was just too much. The straw that broke the sleeper's back! So basically all this is very close to the same configuration I have had on my Englander all along, from the day I cut 'er open and replaced the PU foam. It's just that - I think it is clear now that this is true - the HR foam had run its course - it was maybe 2-3 years old (supposed to be rated for 10 years! Ha!). So in my opinion now, I think any decent springs topped by 2-3" of latex will work for most people! That's the theory I am proposing, anyway! *I am, however, now curious to try REAL Venus memory foam, now that it is clear that Overstock.com ripped me off by telling me it was VENUS I bought when in fact it was not. I would be willing to try 1" of true Venus or any 8lb memory foam if I could get it. I am going to contact Overstock about getting a refund or at least a credit for doing false advertising on the Venus. But actually I am not planning to make ANY changes to my current mattress any time soon! IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!! This message was modified Feb 2, 2010 by jimsocal
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Okay this is my last post in this thread unless someone happens to post something that warrants a response. I just wanted to finish out a full week of updates. 7th NIGHT REPORT: I had a very sore back last night before I went to bed. The bending over and reaching I've been doing to clean the apartment has really made my back and shoulders sore. So I did have a little pain during the night but it obviously was caused by the work I did the previous days, not the mattress itself. I woke up once again with none of that lower or mid-back pain that I was getting before I re-configured my mattress as above with the Talalay latex replacing the old HR foam. So this configuration (as in my last post) is a keeper. This teaches me a lesson: If the mattress starts to hurt when it didn't before, one of the layers may have given out. In this case it was my 1" HR foam layer that was maybe 3 years old. I expected it to last years longer, and that's why I did not suspect it was the problem for quite a while. Someone here on the forum suggested to me that this might be the problem and so I tried it and she was right! So HR foam apparently does not last a long time like it's supposed to. By the way, this HR foam had not even been in the same place for a long time. That is, it was a layer that I often changed out for a different piece (different firmness) and I'm sure it got rotated and even flipped at times when I changed it, so really it had a very short life span. I can no longer recommend HR foam unless it is for someone who just cannot afford latex and is willing to use something they know won't last past a few years. It is however very cheap if you get it from a warehouse as I did, so the investment was minimal and I got my money's worth out of it. Also, note that someone with no back or sleep issues might be able to use it for a longer time and not notice that it had "given out" as I did. My back is very sensitive to any lack of support so I noticed something was wrong whereas someone else might have not noticed it until a year or more later... maybe. This message was modified Feb 3, 2010 by jimsocal
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