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My wife and I are replacing a 15 year old King size coil mattress. We want something non-toxic so we started looking at GreenSleep beds. I weigh 140, my wife weighs 125. I have some lower back and hips problems. We both sleep on our sides. We never would have considered spending $7000 for a bed until we tried a GreenSleep Dolcezza. It was quite remarkable. We have also tried a Savvy Rest...we didn't think it compared. We're just wondering if people who have more experience with high quality latex beds can share any insights with us. For example, is it really worth spending $2,000 of the GreenSleep custom foundation? The bed we tried was on the foundation and we don't know how different it would feel if it were just on slats. If you have any experience with this we'd love to hear from you. |
| THe foundation will definitely make a difference, the problem is whether it makes it better or worse for you. The flexible foundations help get rid of some of the "pushback" latex is known for. The mattress will give more support on plain slats. More support will raise your hips slightly relative to the rest of your body and this will affect your spinal alignment. You can try purchasing the mattress without the foundation and just put the mattress on the floor. You won't get the ventilation benefits of a slat foundation, but the bed should have the same support and firmness. If you like the mattress on the floor, it will be good with a plain slat foundation. If you don't like it, then you know to get the GreenSleep foundation. WIth all that said, I will bet you prefer the mattress with the GreenSleep foundation. |
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crock wrote: THe foundation will definitely make a difference, the problem is whether it makes it better or worse for you. The flexible foundations help get rid of some of the "pushback" latex is known for. The mattress will give more support on plain slats. More support will raise your hips slightly relative to the rest of your body and this will affect your spinal alignment. You can try purchasing the mattress without the foundation and just put the mattress on the floor. You won't get the ventilation benefits of a slat foundation, but the bed should have the same support and firmness. If you like the mattress on the floor, it will be good with a plain slat foundation. If you don't like it, then you know to get the GreenSleep foundation. WIth all that said, I will bet you prefer the mattress with the GreenSleep foundation. |
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I am not exactly sure what creates "pushback". My own theory, completely lacking in any actual experimental data, is that foam produces a force in all directions when compressed. A spring only provides force in one direction. When you sleep on foam it not only pushes your skin directly up, it also presses inwards. This is a horizontal force that does not exist with a spring. The inward force given with foam produces a different feel against the skin and makes it more difficult to move around on the bed. If you visit a true "sleep specialist" they will probably describe proper alignment as:
1. Side Sleeper - Shoulders vertical, hips vertical, and spine horizontal. In practice you should really expect a slight tilt of the upper pelvis towards the head, so the torso is slightly dipping. A perfectly horizontal spine will often feel like the bed is poking you in the side. 2. Stomache Sleeper - you want to avoid too much sway (hyperextension -bending backwards) in the back. You almost always have neck problems if the pillow is firm or thick. The usual problem with stomache sleepers is that they like a soft surface for comfort and easy breathing, yet they need a lot of support to keep their back from hyperextension. There are not a lot of beds that can give you both. 3. Back Sleeper - usually set the bed up as a side sleeper, but you use a pillow that supports the head without tilting the head and neck.
Getting a bed where your body is aligned, feels soft, and lasts a long time is what you pay the big bucks for with a bed like GreenSleep. |
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Jakeeagle wrote: Hey Crock, can you say anything more about "pushback"? You seem knowledgable about mattresses and I'm trying to avoid making a mistake, so I appreciate any other comments you have. When I read your message it sounds like putting the Dolcezza on slat may create better body alignment, but not feel quite as good. Is that right? And is there any way to determine if one's alignment on a bed is good or not? Thanks for your input, best I've had so far. Without dismissing the pushback observation, I'll suggest that flexible slats... or slats placed for their different firmness in particular zones... may be intended to vary the firmness in those particular zones (targeted sag) to improve the force contouring such that you body shape rests in the Latex with your body weight/forces balanced so that your body profile is most at ease (spine comfortably aligned/supported). A given layer of Latex (or anything) cannot fine-tune this balance, so being able to adjust it from below could help improve the support profile for your body weight and shape distribution from head-to-foot, for ONE sleep position, maybe TWO, but probably not all THREE. The traditional approach to this profiling is one size fits all, no adjustment. If the cost is outrageous and the solution is partial i.e. I sleep in all positions, I would prefer the traditional approach. If otherwise, I would inspect any slat end mechanics/plastic to determine if they are designed to last very long. GK |
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Jakeeagle,
Not sure where you are but you may want to see if there is a SuiteSleep retailer in your area you can try out. The Vesta is a European Style sleep system like the Dolcezza. Well worth the time to compare. The thickness in the cover will definately seperate either from the Savvy so if you are back at a Savvy Dealer spend some time and try the Serenity 10in with a woll topper. Again will not be exact at the Greensleep but will make a big differance. Best of luck you are looking at some great products. |