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I dunno if it's the horsehair topper or the mattress/spring bedspring combo but it's a winner ! Whatever it is, I like it more than the Dux or Shifmans I tried Love both the 2000T and Excelisor . The 2000T is like instant comfort and the Excelisor takes about 30 seconds for the comfort factor to sink in.....at a $8000 discount. For those who have been in the same boat.....what other alternatives should I be looking it. At this point, let's say 12 years at $1333 cost per year out of life of a good mattress, I'm willing to do that ..... |
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Followup: Here's the dealer's post. Of course it's self-serving, but it confirms what we have discovered/discussed re: support: "Hello all, I am a retailer of Hastens and Carpe Diem Beds of Sweden. I also sell other brands such as Stearns & Foster, Englander, Sealy, Tempur pedic, and more. Hopefully this post will answer a few of your questions. It is possible to simulate the feel of a premium quality bed like Hastens and Carpe Diem, but unfortunately, no one can give you the support and comfort together, not to mention the longevity of their beds. 
As you probably know most U.S. mattress manufacturers are building beds with one sided construction. Very convenient for us, since we all hate flipping our mattress. These manufacturers are loading up one side of the bed
with tons of foam and other upholstery materials to achieve a soft comfortable feel. The problem with that design is that we as people hold the majority of our weight in our rear ends. Even though the bed feels great, the spine is not in its natural position. Your butt will sink in more then the rest of your body as the support (spring system) is way at the bottom of that big one sided mattress. What happens is you fall asleep fine, but you wake up with soarness or still tired despite the 6-8 hours of shut -eye you just got. The reason being, since your mattress failed to evenly distribute your weight, your muscles, instead of sleeping, were called to the job. I have heard various complaints throughout my years in this industry, but most of them came when mattress manufacturers decided to make half a bed. Two of the biggest complaints are; that 6 months after purchase, the bed feels signifantly softer than when they first took it home, and the other are those 1 1/2" body impressions that develop rather quickly. Both of these examples are normal according to the manufacturers of these one sided, more convenient sleep sets.
Hastens and Carpe Diem beds are built not only to be the most comfortable beds in the world, but to offer decades of support as well. They do this with all natural materials and the most advanced spring design to date. The spring in these beds is what is supporting your back and giving you the comfort. Both companies use an individualy pocketed coil which has twice the amount of turns
per coil than the best Amrican bed. This allows each coil to conform perfectly to the part of the body that compresses it with out affecting the performance of the coil next to it. The bed actually evenly distributes your weight so perfectly without applying pressure that the sleeper almost experiences a sense of weightlessness. With the bed containing no foam that detiorates, Hastens and Carpe Diem promise 
decades of comfortable restorative sleep. You don't need to spend 20 or 50k to experience this, ever Hastens and Carpe Diem bed offers this starting around 5k. 
If interested, I have some Hastens models that I would discount from 10% to 40%.
I hope this has been helpful, if you would like to contact me, please do so at: tsnakes1@optonline.net" |
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| Yup, that was me! It is an interesting site to read up on the Hastens' stuff. |
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ConfusedBedBug - Just curious.....were you able to ever come something amicable with your Hastens ordeal ? |
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I am not the writer of the post with all the Hasten's horror stories - just the brief comment about using the Hastens' topper with the Beckley bed - which we like.  |
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| Correct. BTW, for everyone's edification, how thick and how much (if you don't mind) are the toppers? |
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Sure, the queen topper was, if memory serves, about $1300 and it is about 3" thick with horsehair, cotton and wool. 2" of memory foam was from Healthy Foundations and was about $200. Expensive toppers but they give the feeling of a very comfortable bed with good springs and horsehair at a fraction of the cost of the hastens or McRoskey for that matter. Is it as good as a Hastens - who knows? I loved the feel of the 2000T for the little time I got to spend on it in Chicago, but it is not in the budget right now. As well we are larger folk and we have back issues and seem to need a firmer mattress so, I'm quite pleased with what we put together for the money and enjoy crawling in every night! This message was modified Feb 27, 2008 by confusedbedbug
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Just for the sake of balanced reporting. As an owner of a Hastens (I don't work for them or their competition) I believe some of these ant-hastens comments about construction to be without merit. I have owned my Naturally for almost 4 years and have had no mold, no bed bugs, no sign of wear in the topper, and no flaws in the construction. The comment about the medium vs. soft only exists because Hastens actually gives folks the option of firm, medium and soft at each price point which means you have to pick wisely. This is a good thing. The cooling effect of the cotton works exactly as advertised and this is one of the best features of the bed. While it's true that there are some artificial materials the may "wick" moisture away as well or better, that would defeat the point of a Hastens, which is to use natural materials. Pour a bucket of water on any bed and you will have a wet bed. Hastens topper is another great feature. Instead of promising a 10 year life for a one sided foam monstrosity that doesn't last 10 months like the "S" companies. Hastens warns (in writing) that their toppers may not last as long as the rest of the mattress and makes them removable, flippable and replaceable. This is called honesty and is also a good thing. As I mentioned, after almost 4 years there is no sign of wear in my topper so i will get more then 5 years out of it. Hastens are way too expensive for the average purchaser and this I can't debate, but they are wonderful mattresses otherwise. Best Wishes, Ian |
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I provided a positive and a negative view, and suggest that going to apartmenttherapy would be worthwhile. I'm sure the great majority of Hastens buyers love their mattresses (they had better) but it sounds like a large number may not. Regarding wicking, you've turned the point on its head. Hastens claims that cotton so much better than synthetics. It's not. In fact it's worse. Cotton is a great material, but not for moisture transfer (other than absorption). And it's not the best natural material for that purpose either. That language is just marketing fluff. But if someone finds the topper to be great, and doesn't mind spending @$1300 after 5 years to replace it, that's OK. Personally, I find that too steep on top of the initial price (and I hate any high priced product which can be found "on sale" for 40 to 50% off--that shows how much mark up is there to start with). Confusedbedbug--what do you know about the coil system used in the Beckley? Who else uses that Holland coil? Is it manufactured by L&P (L&P manufactures roughly 75% of U.S. coils)? Thanks. |
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I don't recall who makes the Holland coil - I remember Steve H talked about them a bit on the old forum. I suggest you call Tim or Ted at Beckley - they are very willing to talk about their beds and their process. Call the factory number and they can direct you to them. Yes, I have to agree my Hastens topper is very expensive - but it makes the bed for us and we regulary shake it up and in fact step all over it (on the ground) and it goes back to original shape very nicely and feels brand new all over again. It makes the bed softer without giving up the horsehair springy feeling that the Beckley also has. |
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Bedbug, I'm wondering about the 2 inches of memory foam under the Hastens topper. How does that contribute to the feel? Was the Hastens (topper) by itself not enough? Your mattress looks and sounds like the perfect thing for someone to "customize" themselves. It's simple, low profile and definitely something I'll look into next time around... |