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Ok, I bit the bullet and ordered the SleepEZ 10000 and returned the Costco Comfortluxe. I am a bit nervous about ordering a mattress without having tried it! :) However, what I really liked was Shawn even suggested I spend LESS and buy the 8500 model because "you just don't use more than 5.6/6" of foam." He said that until the mid-80s all the latex mattresses were just 6", but since then people think more is better. I ended up choosing the 10000 because of bed sheet fiting, Shawn said that sheets can be a bit of a pain to get for the thinner mattresses nowadays (Sheets are made for huge beds now) So despite my nervousness on buying something sight unseen, I just keep telling myself all the wonderful reviews I have read here about the service level with Sleepez means it should be ok! :) (i hope :) ). This message was modified Dec 15, 2007 by novahelp
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BeddyBye wrote: Congratulations novahelp! What about a medium-medium-X-firm combo? Would that make it a bit firmer without making it TOO firm? I don't have any soft layers in my mattress. It's X- firm HR PU, 44 ILD latex and 32 ILD latex. (Or maybe two 32 ILDs--forgot) But no soft. And the CuddleSoft fiber mattress pad over the mattress.
Novahelp, it seems like you have found a configuratiion that works for you, although I tend to think that BeddyBye's suggested medium/medium/x-firm would probably be better. SleepEZ soft layer is really soft, although I think they have changed from a 20 when I bought my mattress to a 24. This is still really soft for a 2.8" layer. My feeling is that the medium/medium/x-firm would be the most comfortable along with a soft 1" topper. I know you would like the bed to work as it is sold, but sometimes it's necessary to tweak it a little bit above and beyond to acheive optimal comfort. I preferred the SleepEZ mattress cover the bed came with to the feel of the latex with less between it and my body. Have you tried leaving the cover unzipped? This will give you much more slack and less of a trampoline effect when you lie on it. If you find it's shifting around too much place a mattress pad over it. I like the kind with the wide horizontal bands rather than the kind with tight quilting. Overall they feel much softer, have more give to them and don't pull taut enough to produce that trampoline effect. |
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BeddyBye wrote: Congratulations novahelp! What about a medium-medium-X-firm combo? Would that make it a bit firmer without making it TOO firm? I don't have any soft layers in my mattress. It's X- firm HR PU, 44 ILD latex and 32 ILD latex. (Or maybe two 32 ILDs--forgot) But no soft. And the CuddleSoft fiber mattress pad over the mattress. Hmm, good idea. Let me try that. I think the issue is I like the soft layer on the top, medium feels a bit too hard. Let me try it in any case! p.s. Another GREAT night of sleep on soft-medium-xfirm!! |
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cloud9 wrote: BeddyBye, I think you said your latex layers were 1" each and they are combined with an innerspring unit. This feels completely different than a bed made entirely of 2.8" talalay latex cores. And you've got that cuddle bed over it which really alters the feeling of the latex. Novahelp, it seems like you have found a configuratiion that works for you, although I tend to think that BeddyBye's suggested medium/medium/x-firm would probably be better. SleepEZ soft layer is really soft, although I think they have changed from a 20 when I bought my mattress to a 24. This is still really soft for a 2.8" layer. My feeling is that the medium/medium/x-firm would be the most comfortable along with a soft 1" topper. I know you would like the bed to work as it is sold, but sometimes it's necessary to tweak it a little bit above and beyond to acheive optimal comfort. I preferred the SleepEZ mattress cover the bed came with to the feel of the latex with less between it and my body. Have you tried leaving the cover unzipped? This will give you much more slack and less of a trampoline effect when you lie on it. If you find it's shifting around too much place a mattress pad over it. I like the kind with the wide horizontal bands rather than the kind with tight quilting. Overall they feel much softer, have more give to them and don't pull taut enough to produce that trampoline effect. I like the feel of foam. Also, as you said, the soft ILD is now 22-24 instead of 20 so I do not find it too soft in the soft-medium-xfirm combination. As for the case, the problems I had with the included case were as follows: 1) OUCH! every time I used it killed my hip! 2) I couldn't even tell it was foam I was sleeping on. The cover, for me, completely inhibited the conforming properties of latex and I felt like i was sleeping on a cheap mattress (apologies to anyone who likes the included cover). I bought foam because I like to feel the foam. I will try the Medium-Medium-Xfirm tonight as a last adjustment to see if that makes it better. Hmm, though I wonder if I should try SOFT-FIRM-X-Firm? I assume the soft won't separate me enough from the firm layer though... However, not sure why people are against sleeping close to the foam. Memory foam mattresses don't pad themselves with thick wool covers...(i do understand they need the body heat to contour) This message was modified Feb 15, 2008 by novahelp
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Novahelp, I really feel you should sleep on the combination you have now but with a medium on top and a 2" topper in soft rather than a 2.8" latex core. I think 2" latex soft topper in a 24 to 26 softness over a Medium ILD latex core, over a firm ILD latex core, over a extra firm latex core. I really feel that will give you the softness you love. I think this is why FloBeds does offer the 2" soft latex topper since there are many people that like a soft topper over firmness. I know I do also I learned but only about 1" thick since I am very petite and do not sink in enough to get the support underneath. My FloBed mattress cover has a little give and is very comfortable. I did not like the former mattress cover FloBeds used to sell but their new one they sell is wonderful. If you like lying right next to the latex, then maybe a terry cloth cover is for you that is not too tight so you can feel the latex underneath. Also what type of pillow are you sleeping on since that matters also with getting the comfort right on a bed. |
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novahelp wrote: I like the feel of foam. Also, as you said, the soft ILD is now 22-24 instead of 20 so I do not find it too soft in the soft-medium-xfirm combination. As for the case, the problems I had with the included case were as follows: 1) OUCH! every time I used it killed my hip! 2) I couldn't even tell it was foam I was sleeping on. The cover, for me, completely inhibited the conforming properties of latex and I felt like i was sleeping on a cheap mattress (apologies to anyone who likes the included cover). I bought foam because I like to feel the foam. I will try the Medium-Medium-Xfirm tonight as a last adjustment to see if that makes it better. Hmm, though I wonder if I should try SOFT-FIRM-X-Firm? I assume the soft won't separate me enough from the firm layer though... However, not sure why people are against sleeping close to the foam. Memory foam mattresses don't pad themselves with thick wool covers...(i do understand they need the body heat to contour) Some people do like sleeping right on the latex. And that's fine if you find it most comfortable,but you should keep the latex covered with something like a stretch terry mattress pad. Latex is biodegradable if exposed to UV light and will decay in a few years rather than the 20 or so you can expect if you keep it in the dark.
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1) Thanks. Sean said that the degrade aspects wont kick in for a year or so really, while I do my trial he said it will be fine. In long run you are correct, I need to get a case just for convenience and protecting my investment. 2)I tried Medium Medium X-firm And I couldn't use it for more than a few minutes. Here is the weird thing, I felt like I kind of SUNK through at the hips while the rest of my body stayed up, just felt weird. Imaging you are laying on a sheet of ice, and someone carved a hole to fish through. That's kind of how I felt, though of course it was NOT as hard as ice. 3) I tried Soft Firm Xfirm Found the soft couldn't cushion me from the harder layers enough. 4) GOOD NEWS. I did some more testing by placing some memory foam on the harder side of the bed (medium-firm-xfirm). Good news. I really prefer latex over memory foam. I just cant stand the memory foam marshmallow feeling and the heat build up. So, at least I know latex IS the material I prefer! 5) The bed is really close with the soft-medium-xfirm. I am getting some side soreness because while the firmness is enough, I just need more material or something (though the soreness could be just a result of the other nights of sleep where I got a little bit sore or exercise). I tried moving the layers so it is medium-soft-xfirm, and I couldn't really feel a difference except it kinda felt like the feeling I got from the medium-medium-xfirm (see point 2 above). I also tried soft-medium-firm-x-frim again and I don't like how jiggly and rubber feeling that number of layers feels. I guess a case might make it feel different? 6) Next steps I am going to try the combo I liked best in the orginal mattress case today. Maybe the hammocking won't be so bad now? This message was modified Feb 17, 2008 by novahelp
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Soft medium -xfirm on one side, soft-firm-xfirm on the other side inside the mattress case. The case makes the bed feel "frumpy" and like an old hand-me-down. You sort of plop into it, no spring or push back. Amazing how different the case makes the latex feel! Laying on either side within about 2-3 minutes i feel a pain on my hip bone. It does sort of contour, but the contours are just big indentations that pool into one big sack. And, interestingly, when I un-zipper the top (as someone suggested), it gets much more conforming and comfortable though still not as nice as just having a sheet over the latex. This message was modified Feb 17, 2008 by novahelp
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I was the one who suggested unzipping the mattress cover. It gives you more slack and allows the foam to conform to your body without the trampoline effect of the cover interfering. Here's another combination you can try: Medum / soft/ x-firm. I found this configuration to be the most comfortable. The medium on the top will feel much softer with the soft layer beneath it than it will with another medium underneath. Sounds like you've just experienced one of the negative characteristics of Talalay latex--that old sinking feeling. Your ice analogy was perfect. That's exactly it. Your hips go down and your shoulders stay up. I found this produced a horrible amount of upper back fatigue. The only work-around for that was an extremely firm configuration that made me sore all over, so I was never able to make the mattress comfortable for me, but it sounds like you're getting there. |
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cloud9 wrote: I was the one who suggested unzipping the mattress cover. It gives you more slack and allows the foam to conform to your body without the trampoline effect of the cover interfering. Here's another combination you can try: Medum / soft/ x-firm. I found this configuration to be the most comfortable. The medium on the top will feel much softer with the soft layer beneath it than it will with another medium underneath. Sounds like you've just experienced one of the negative characteristics of Talalay latex--that old sinking feeling. Your ice analogy was perfect. That's exactly it. Your hips go down and your shoulders stay up. I found this produced a horrible amount of upper back fatigue. The only work-around for that was an extremely firm configuration that made me sore all over, so I was never able to make the mattress comfortable for me, but it sounds like you're getting there. What's frustrating is that I am so close! I just find that at my hip bone the foam compresses a touch too much and it gets hard there (or compresses enough that I can feel the floor at that spot). Otherwise, the foam is PERFECT. Grrrrr I can't take it anymore! :) I tried lots of combos for the foam, and the end result, the wool cover is just not comfortable for me. It hurts my butt when I lay on my back, and hurts my hip when I lay on my side. This message was modified Feb 18, 2008 by novahelp
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Novahelp, Sounds like you are "just about there" with your matress adjustments. It can be rather hetic with all the mattress latex combinations trying to get that middle ground between comfort & support but it will all be worth it in the end. Also- I PMed you about your mattress cover too. Jeff |