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I am in the market for a king sized hybrid mattress (latex over pocket coil) w/minimal poly foam. Not much in my area but I did travel to a place that had a Green Sleep Saluna Mattress. It has a 3 " latex topper on a firmish pocket spring mattress. It was a great feeling bed. Unfortunately the price was way out of my range. However, I am toying with the idea of creating a bed that is close to that feel. A local company Jamestown mattress will make me a custom mattress. I am toying with the idea of quoting me it 2 ways. One with the latex top / pocket coil and one with just a barebones pocket coil mattress and I purchase the top separately. Will see which way is more cost effective. I am, however, having a hard time finding the specs on the Green Sleep Saluna bed. If anyone knows where I could find these or how to find them, that would be great. One web site did mention the 3" topper was all natural dunlop and judging by the feel of the topper I would say it was in the soft to medium range though I would bet soft. The pocket springs were pretty firm and resulted in a medium firm feel overall. Could not locate specs on the spring system either. Anyone have any other options for me? Maybe a competitor that is less expensive? Latex over pocket coil. Thanks! |
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zen4life wrote: Hmmm, thanks for the info. That is a lighter gauge steel than advertised. They have not updated the flyers or web site. I am going to go in today and ask about that. All the sales reps I encountered there were friendly and tried to be helpful, but they were not aware that they had incorrect specs for that mattress. They just went by the flyers that came from the head office. My email exchange a few months back was with Jim Pullan, Jr., from the head office. He gave me the link to the L&P specs. |
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Green Sleep's coils are 13 gauge coils (6 turn 8" high). 768 coils in a queen. It appears to be a non-zoned system as well. With just pressing down on the coils I could tell the Green Sleep coils were much firmer than the Jamestown mattress. As for Jamestown, spoke with Jim from the plant, they have a newer option for the pocket coils called the Combi-Zone from L&P. It is a 7 zone system of alternating 13.75 gauge coils and 17 gauge coils for the (shoulders, hip, and thigh areas). From what I read, it looks to be a superior system to the existing one. They are also 8 inches tall versus 6. No extra cost to me. Link to new system here : http://www.beddingcomponents.com/comfortcore/documents/combi-zone.pdf
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zen4life wrote: As for Jamestown, spoke with Jim from the plant, they have a newer option for the pocket coils called the Combi-Zone from L&P. It is a 7 zone system of alternating 13.75 gauge coils and 17 gauge coils for the (shoulders, hip, and thigh areas). .... Link to new system here: http://www.beddingcomponents.com/comfortcore/documents/combi-zone.pdf Thanks for the info on Green Sleep coils, and for the link to the Combi-Zone thing. Interesting. For myself, I'd be worried about whether the zones would fall in the right places for my body -- but that's me. The L&P PDF says that this zoning system provides the greatest support (I'd assume this means the lower-gauge steel) in the shoulders, hips, and thighs areas. If you're a side sleeper, I'd wonder whether more support in the shoulder area would be a good thing or would prevent your shoulders from sinking in enough. If you're a back or stomach sleeper, maybe a non-issue there. Anyway, good luck, and let us know what you decide to go with and how you like it.
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| Perhaps they assume the comfort layers would handle the sinking in of the shoulders, hips, and thighs? And that the support layer would then keep them from sinking in further as those are the heavier areas. Just a theory I guess. As for hoping the areas line up with persons of different height and such, yeah, I agree. That would be a concern. |
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Who provided you the specs on the GreenSleep coils? I have literally cut one of the springs out of their pockets and I swear it has more than 6 turns (granted the ones at the top and bottom of the spring are very close together), and I was told it was a 13.5 guage wire. The coil count you got sounds accurate though, somewhere between 750~800 in a queen for sure. Although spec shopping on these things is not going to really tell the whole story as the coils are also joined together by hand rather than glued together by machine like mass produced pocket springs. I would also say that because they use the coconut coir all around the spring system it is functionally a lot stronger than even the specs lead on. Anyway, all I am really saying is that if you want to replicate the specs its not going to be even possible, even the boxspring on that bed contributes to the feeling it had. Your best bet is to not fret about the specs on the Saluna, get something in a remotely similar build that feels good to you, I think atleast you can get the basic premise of the bed being really solid and durable by just doing away with all the polyfoam. |
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Budgy - I emailed Green Sleep and got the following reply Our latex is Dunlop, ILD is 65 in Saluna... our Gauge is 0.072 and it is a 6 turns coil. Of course, they gave me the density as opposed to the ILD. Still trying to get them to give me the ILD but from what I found this should be in the low 20's. I looked up the width they gave me for the wire and it shows 13 gauge (.072). When I asked about coil count, they replied : It is 768 in queen. When I asked if they zoned, they replied : All the coils are individually wrapped in organic cotton and are 0.072 |
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Sounds good :)
But yeah they probably do not know the exact ILD, Dunlop usually just is measured in density, the density they keep constant and the ILD will vary slightly depending on the natural variations in the rubber itself by a couple points. Probably mid 20's for 65 density rubber. |
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I did find a web site that sells a Green Sleep all latex bed. They do show ILD ratings : Density: Available in soft (ILD equals 22-25), medium (ILD equals 32-35) and firm core (ILD equals 38-42). Here is the link : I emailed that info to Green Sleep and got this reply : Interesting! I guess he found a way to convert the density to the ILD! The only way we were told in Malaysia to have the firmness is the density! So then it would be the 22-25 for the soft rubber. |
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So, I checked out a Shifman Mattress and was impressed by the quality and level of firmness and am now considering one of them and just adding a 3" latex topper for the comfort layer. A couple reasons this may be a better option than the Jamestown Custom Build : 1) The Shifman is a 2-sided mattress and known for its longevity so "should" last longer. 2) Believe it or not, buying a low (less padding/heavy gauge Bonnel spring) to mid level Shifman (double the padding/heavy steel hi-profile double offset unit) and adding a 500 dollar 3" high quality topper is less expensive overall. The one upside (maybe?) to the Jamestown is it uses a zoned pocket coil system. However, in reading about zoned systems and such, I get the feeling for some people zoning is not needed and could actually raise issues. For me, I don't believe I need such a thing considering that I am sleeping on an old, rather cheap pocket spring mattress now and other than the annoying sagging in the middle, does not cause me any issues. Thoughts? |
| Not sure the cost on the Shifman but I would look at a bed called the Sprout Firmus. Its made in Edmonton out of all natural materials, it is 2 sided like the Shifman and hand tufted, but with pocket coils. Zoned 800 count, not sure the guage, but I reckon relatively thick, its a pretty beefy mattress. That with a seperate latex topper would probably do what you want too. If your goal is to get something really good quality but less expensive than the Green Sleep this would be a good option. |