Latex Pushback Phenomenon - Dunlop latex versus Talalay latex
Mar 2, 2011 2:32 PM
Joined: Feb 15, 2011
Points: 50
I have some questions about pushback experienced when you sleep on latex.

1 - Does dunlop latex pushback more versus Talalay latex?

2 - Will blended talalay latex pushback at all? If it does how much compared to all natural talalay latex?

3 - how can one get restful sleep if latex is pushing back against your body all night long (very puzzling)

4 - if latex pushes back against your body how can it provide pressure relief? 

5 - If latex pushes back against your body how can you get restful sleep?

 

The whole pushback by latex surely negates it use as a sleeping surface unless you like a very firm surface and the pushback - don't you think so?

 

Thanks in adavance.

Re: Latex Pushback Phenomenon - Dunlop latex versus Talalay latex
Reply #1 Nov 15, 2011 5:34 PM
Joined: Nov 10, 2011
Points: 16
I never heard the term "pushback" until I was reading another post here the other day.  But the term is spot-on.

But we just bought an expensive new, latex Plush Stearns and Foster mattress, and it is DEFINITELY giving me "pushback"! (even through the mushy pillowtop).

I was lying awake at 2 AM last night, feeling the "pushback" and hating the damn mattress so much, I wished it would magically disappear.

I have started 2 other threads regarding the overheating problem with this mattress.  But that is just part of the problem. I just don't like the feeling of the mattress at all.  It does feel like it's "pushing back".  I thought it was my imagination, but after reading some of the comments here, I know it's a real issue.

After sleeping on a very, very old traditional mattress that offered zero support, I have no idea what a firmer mattress should feel like.

And I know there is an adjustment period (we're only at 1 week), and that a mattress needs to break in.  But I get the feeling that this mattress is always going
 to feel this way.  I simply hate it.

But...my boyfriend loves the damn thing and is sleeping like a baby!  So getting rid of it is going to be even more challenging.

I had no idea that buying a new mattress was going to be this complicated and fraught with problems.  It is all very, very discouraging (and uncomfortable!).

Re: Latex Pushback Phenomenon - Dunlop latex versus Talalay latex
Reply #2 Nov 22, 2011 3:58 PM
Joined: Nov 19, 2011
Points: 76
I think the term "pushback" is both accurate and deceiving.

If you push against something and you have no resistance, you would not have pushback (do you agree?), but if there is any resistance at all there is pushback.

Springs (conventional) or a couple inches in diameter and when the foam layers on top break down, you can feel the specifc area giving your weight resistance; we call this a pressure point. The higher the price in these coil beds ususally mean the use of more layers or higher quality layers and densities of foam to counteract the firmness of the coils... to eliminate pressure points (could be relatesd as push back on your hips or shoulders... or not enough on your lower back,etc.)

Springs (pocketed) are almost the same diameter as conventional, but do not use the littel corkscrew type wire to connect them so there is less pressure point you feel and can more accurately express an overall firmer or softer feel to either the inside or the top of the bed. (the perfect combination of inside and top is what most want and don't understand how to find) The inside may provide the firmer support and the top may provide the more comfortable feel on you r hips and shoulders

Foams (memory/visco) use the density of the "bubbles" in the foam to provide the support... since the nerves in your back cannot determine how many points of resistance there are (millions of bubbles) we describe an overall "firm" or "soft" feel. This actuallyspreads your entire weight over the entire length of your body (the parts touching the memory foam) so you are unable to FEEL a pressure point. The pushback however, is something else. If your lower back feels as if it is sinking in a particular memory foam, then you do not have enough "pushback" to provide proper support to your lower back. In memory foam it takes a few moments longer due to the "slow reacting properties of memory foam, dependent on weight and temperature". The push back here can be great if it is in the right place.

Foams (latex) is a much more springy product, giving the sensation closer to that of a traditional mattress but, due to the millions of "bubbles" foundin the foam, provide a much more even pressurepoint relief. However, if the latex product you chose is too firm for you, you will experience pushback all over, maybe just on your hips and shoulders or elsewhere. This means the weight of your body has not truly been dispersedover thelenght of your body (the parts touching the mattress) and therefore no real pressurepoint relief is occuring and all you feel is pushback.

Quality, material, marketing, etc. only provide a great night's sleep if you are comfortable. Foam takeslonger to break in than coils do, so walking all over the mattress can help you condition more quickly, especially if it still feels firmer than the one you tried in the showroom where you purchased it. If thatone was too firm overall (too much pushback) you may have chosen the bed more on the economics or salesperson's description rather than allowing your back to speak the loudest in terms of comfort. Spend time in your sleeping position in the bed that feels best at first... do it for about 15 minutes and see ifyour back muscles start to "release" and without feeling any uncomfortable pushback.

Sleep Well "xyz1ab"!

Re: Latex Pushback Phenomenon - Dunlop latex versus Talalay latex
Reply #3 Nov 22, 2011 5:12 PM
Joined: May 12, 2010
Points: 241
They make it too confusing and difficult for average person to choose a bed. They do that by deliberate deception.

Welcome to Capitalism. It is not democracy but capitalism. Deception rules just about the same or more as in communism!

Consumers are being taken for a ride.