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Whew! The Flobed arrived this afternoon in 3 boxes! I got all the pieces out and checked them to be sure I got everything ordered. I couldn't put it together right away because I was waiting on a foundation to be delivered. They finally brought the foundation around 6:30, so I got to work! Originally I intended to take pictures of the process, but then my DH came home and announced he wasn't helping, so I huffed all the pieces upstairs, laid out the cover as instructed, and began taking out the individual layers. Aside from each piece being heavy and unwieldly, it really wasn't too difficult to get the layers on the mattress cover. and adjust them. I did have to stop and take a 10 minute break after getting the first 2 layers on the bed (4 pieces). Layer 3 went on . . .and then the topper! That's where I ran into a little snag. I put the soft covoluted top layer on, and it's waaaay too big! It's marked a queen, but I'm pretty sure it's a king, lol. I get it lined up top to bottom and along one edge, and it overhangs the other side by about a foot! So . . .temporarily, I folded that piece up and set it aside and zipped up the other 3 layers into the cover. First impressions are, this bed is amazingly comfortable! I was worried about getting a firm/xfirm/xfirm, and I'll have to sleep on it a few nights, but oh la la! It's comfortable just to lie on. Very supportive, springy and bouncy, but not hard. Tomorrow I'll have to call Dewey and have a chat about the top layer. What I'd like is permission to just cut that piece to size without losing my 90 money back guarantee. I've been waiting so long for a comfortable mattress, I don't want to mail this one back and wait for another convoluted piece. If he says ok, I'll trim it down, unzip the cover, put the convoluted layer on . . . and ahhhhhh. I'll do as Eagle and report back on my experiences with my Flobed, though maybe not in the same precise detail. I can't wait to go to bed! |
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| Congratulations on finally getting it! It's a bummer that the top layer is the wrong size. I hope you don't have to wait to get the right size. Which model did you get? I have a Vzone on it's way. |
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Well, congratulations Kimberly!!  I'm so glad to hear everything finally arrived. Yes it is a bummer that they sent the wrong convoluted layer. But I'm sure Dewey Turner, or Dave, will work with you to keep you happy.I'm sure you're going to enjoy a very good nights sleep. Talk to you later. Oh Yes, and by the way. When you get your proper convoluted layer installed, I believe you will find your new bed just that much more comfortable. I'm so happy for you Kimberly, that you're finally on your way to achieving what we all want and deserve. A really great mattress so that we can enjoy a really great nights sleep! This message was modified Oct 15, 2009 by eagle2
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I got the Posture Deluxe model. I thought about getting the VZone, but . . . . well I thought I'd have enough on my plate dealing with six latex variables (3 on each side) without the added complication of a zoned layer. First night's report - whew! the latex really smells. I know this will dissipate quickly, it's not necessarily an unpleasant smell, nor is it overpowering, but it has a slightly sweet, rubbery smell. I had to sleep my first night without the top convoluted latex layer, as Flobeds sent me a convoluted layer that's way bigger than queen size. Even without the topper, the bed was quite comfortable to sleep on. I did wake up with a killer backache, but I am attributing that to the fact that last night I had to upack all 8 pieces from their boxes myself, lug them up the stairs myself, take them out of their plastic wrappings myself, and wrangle them onto the foundation myself and get them all adjusted into place myself. Each of these pieces weighs 20-25 lbs, times 7 pieces - tough on the 'ole back. However, I love the the feel of the latex mattress and I'm glad now that I didn't just go the easy route and get a Tempurpedic (although, I do like Tempurpedics, that would have been a fine choice too). UPDATE: I just talked to Dave or Dewey about my convoluted latex top layer. They had me measure out the width and confirmed that even though the topper is labeled QUEEN it is a KING. They are shipping me a new topper with a return label for the current topper, and extending my 90 day return period to 100 days. Poor guy, he sounded shocked and said that now they are going to have to go check all of their stock in the warehouse. This message was modified Oct 16, 2009 by KimberlyH
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Kimberly: I am so glad you got it all put together and had a good nights sleep. I would definitely concur with your assumption that all the unloading of all that material, carting it up stairs and taking it out of those plastic bags(no easy thing, in and of itself) is more than likely the cause for your backache. When the wife and I did my bed, we had to drag out the old waterbed mattress. Unfortunately I did not get all the water out of it(failed to rent a water pump) and we had about 100 pounds of water left in the mattress. No fun, at all! I am curious about your odor from the mattress. Didn't you say you were purchasing the blended product? The reason I ask is that the order from the all natural that I purchased was rather pleasant and quite mild. It has a slightly sweet odor something like cookie dough. I rather like it, no rubber smell at all. As I assured you both Dave and his son Dewey are quite accommodating even in situations that aren't their fault. In this case it most assuredly was there fault, and they of course are doing the right thing by you. Yes, keep us posted how you progress. The longer I sleep on my mattress the better I like it. |
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| are you people buying their foundations too? i have a newer Serta Perfect Sleeper Ca King box springs and it seems to be built very similar to the foundatins flobeds offer |
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Eagle, yes, I did buy the blended talalay and yes, I would characterize the odor as somewhat sweet, it was not at all unpleasant. It was just there. Actually, by the morning I didn't notice it anymore. Randy, I did not purchase the Flobeds foundation. I bought a regular foundation for $250 from a local mattress store. If you have a foundation in fine condition then I see no reason why you should buy a new foundation to go with your bed. Your old one should be just fine. On the Flobeds order form there is an optional box to say you don't need a new foundation because you already have a foundation in good condition. Please be wary though, of purchasing a Tempurpedic mattress and using the current foundation with it. From all the reading I've done on customer comments, I would be suspicious that Tempurpedic might not honor any warranty claim if the bed was not placed on a Tempurpedic foundation. Which is kind of silly because the Tempurpedic frame 1) looks really cheap and 2) costs a lot - $400 if I remember correctly. |
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yeah, i kinda already resigned myself to getting the foundation if i get tempur but if i go flo i didnt want to if dont have to so wont now looking forward to tomorrow, i am getting very conflicting info on the HD material tempur uses...long story but i assumed it would make for a firmer feel, but 3 different reps at tempur have all told me yes and no, it actually allows for a deeper crater, that could be a problem for my back and my back is the only reason I am going thru this craziness thanx for responding p.s. YOU got the 2 layer flobed, right? does this mean you are only sending back one of the two layers if you want to change firmness or are both in play? This message was modified Oct 16, 2009 by randys
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Kimberly said, "First night's report - whew! the latex really smells. I know this will dissipate quickly, it's not necessarily an unpleasant smell, nor is it overpowering, but it has a slightly sweet, rubbery smell." "Eagle, yes, I did buy the blended talalay and yes, I would characterize the odor as somewhat sweet, it was not at all unpleasant. It was just there. Actually, by the morning I didn't notice it anymore." My assumption is that the excessive odor that you referred to, earlier in this thread, is due to the fact that it is a blended product. What alerted me was your comment that it smells like rubber. The rubber smell that we have learned to associate with rubber, or what we call rubber, is due to petrochemical involvement in the manufacture of these products. After unpacking my bed and smelling actual 100% natural botanically grown Talalay latex, and detecting this sweet cookie dough like odor, was the first time I had actually smelled natural rubber. I'm sure that once your mattress has aired out somewhat, this order will go away. The odor I associate with my mattress is already diminishing considerably. I kind of hate to have it leave, actually. I've grown to rather like it. This message was modified Oct 16, 2009 by eagle2
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I bought this bed: http://www.flobeds.com/product_details.htm?ID=6080TW It has three, 3" base layers plus a 2" top layer of soft convoluted foam. So it has four layers total, and the bottom three layers are the ones I have the option of switching around if I want during the 90 day period. My layers are firm (32 ILD) over extra firm (36 ILD) over extra firm (36 ILD). I could exchange any one or all of these layers as many times as I want during the 90 day period. On top of those three layers is the two inch convoluted soft layer. |
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randys wrote: yeah, i kinda already resigned myself to getting the foundation if i get tempur but if i go flo i didnt want to if dont have to so wont now looking forward to tomorrow, i am getting very conflicting info on the HD material tempur uses...long story but i assumed it would make for a firmer feel, but 3 different reps at tempur have all told me yes and no, it actually allows for a deeper crater, that could be a problem for my back and my back is the only reason I am going thru this craziness thanx for responding p.s. YOU got the 2 layer flobed, right? does this mean you are only sending back one of the two layers if you want to change firmness or are both in play? We used our Tempurpedic on the floor and were allowed to return it. How would they even know what foundation you used under it? If they ask, and it's not a Tempurpedic foundation, and you need to return it, tell them you used it on the floor. Also it might be firmer on the floor, so you may want to try that if you find it not so good on the foundation. Unfortunately my experience was that Temp. does not support one's back enough. YMVV. Good luck. |
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| Kimberly: Now that you've had several more nights to sleep on your FloBeds, how does it feel? I hope all is well. |
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| I'm holding off my assessment until I get the convoluted topper. As you'll recall, Flobeds sent me the wrong sized topper. The new one is supposed to arrive today. |
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The convoluted topper came yesterday and I unzipped the mattress cover and put it in. I'm not sure the convoluted topper offers any improvement over the 3 core layers. My back ached last night and this morning when I got up. My mattress is F/XF/XF. I don't expect my mattress to *solve* all of my back problems, but I do expect it not to *exacerbate* my back problems. While I *know* my old mattress was exacerbating my back problems, I don't know yet whether the Flobeds mattress also exacerbates my back issues. I'll give it a week and see how I feel then. |
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KimberlyH wrote: The convoluted topper came yesterday and I unzipped the mattress cover and put it in. I'm not sure the convoluted topper offers any improvement over the 3 core layers. My back ached last night and this morning when I got up. My mattress is F/XF/XF. I don't expect my mattress to *solve* all of my back problems, but I do expect it not to *exacerbate* my back problems. While I *know* my old mattress was exacerbating my back problems, I don't know yet whether the Flobeds mattress also exacerbates my back issues. I'll give it a week and see how I feel then. Let me try and offer a word of encouragement if I can. What I am finding with my FloBeds is that it takes time for your body to adjust to the new feel. At first my bed on the firmer side felt quite firm indeed. In fact I had the exact same arrangement, on the firmer side of my King size bed, that you have. Namely, F/XF/XF. I have since changed that to M/XF/XF, and the other side is F/F/XF. Now it is hard to say which side I prefer. It just depends on how I am feeling through the night. All I can tell you is, as I have stated several times before, and thought about it again this morning when I didn't want to get out of bed, that I look forward to going to bed and I don't want to get out in the morning. The other thing that I would caution you about is that you strained your back when you had to move all of your bedding upstairs without any assistance. I can tell you from my own experience that putting one of these beds together, particularly by yourself, can be labor intensive and certainly puts a strain on your back because of all the bending over. So you definitely need to give it time Kimberly. Also, I have found, that my all natural Talalay tends to soften up in the hip area over time. I noticed this after having slept on it for about two weeks. It's not an unpleasant thing, in fact I rather enjoy it. It's not like a innerspring mattress that begins to collapse in the same area due to use, but rather like a conforming to your body type of experience. The only other thing that I can think of that might possibly be a help would be to change out a layer or two. For instance, you might try F/F/XF. or even a M/XF/XF. There are all kinds of combinations that might feel more pleasant to you. Am I to assume that you do not have a different configuration for one side of the bed as opposed to the other? I rather like having two different sides of the bed so that I can give it a better test. If I finally determine that I am sleeping all the time on one side of the bed, then I might possibly change them both to be exactly the same. But I don't think I'm going to do this. We just change too much from day to day, and even through the night, so that a different configuration can feel more pleasant some of the time. This message was modified Oct 21, 2009 by eagle2
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Kimberly, it sounds to me like it's too firm. Then again, you may be like me and your body just doesn't like all-foam beds and needs springs under it to give it that kind of support. But I think Eagle2 is right, too: you need to give it some more time - as painful as that may be (but not if it's TOO painful). Moving the mattress in to your bedroom and moving it around probably did hurt your back, so now you have that to contend with. Try to give it another week or two, but don't hesitate to call Flobeds with your problem. I am sure they will send out some softer or ? foam right away. I think they are very good at what they do and though they cannot please everyone -because some, like me, just cannot sleep on pure foam - they will do their best to make it work for you, and want you to call if you're not happy. |
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My guess is that is sounds too firm as well. If you are unhappy after a few more days, you may want to have them send 1/2 of a medium to try instead of the firm. I am currently using medium over firm over xfirm. It feels pretty good, but I have not tried with the new topper yet (did use with the too large one though). I am sure that I am heavier than you, although I like a mattress on the softer side. Memory foam instead of the convoluted gives a different feel as well. Last night I slept at a friends house on an 8 year old innerspring, No pillow top or foam, just some padding. It felt like sleeping on the floor with maybe a few blankets as cushioning. I tossed and turned and woke up with a sore back. My Flobed is way better for me than that. |
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I am giving it some time. My back problems are severe, and I don't expect them to be solved overnight by a new mattress :) Having said that, last night was comfortable and I woke up practically pain free, which is a huge improvement. Husband said again this morning (as he has every morning) that he loves the new Flobed mattress. I'm not sure about the firmness level. I am heavy, and I'm concerned that if I got a softer layer I'd start sinking into it and body wouldn't be in alignment. I think if anything I would order a firm layer and switch out one of the xfirm layers. But I'm going to give it a good week before I decide on trying a different layer. |
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What is your sense when you are sleeping on it? Does it feel too firm? Or do you feel like you are sinking in too far? Or does it feel pretty much right, but you are still having back pain and not sure why? This message was modified Oct 22, 2009 by sandman
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KimberlyH wrote: I am giving it some time. My back problems are severe, and I don't expect them to be solved overnight by a new mattress :) Having said that, last night was comfortable and I woke up practically pain free, which is a huge improvement. Husband said again this morning (as he has every morning) that he loves the new Flobed mattress. I'm not sure about the firmness level. I am heavy, and I'm concerned that if I got a softer layer I'd start sinking into it and body wouldn't be in alignment. I think if anything I would order a firm layer and switch out one of the xfirm layers. But I'm going to give it a good week before I decide on trying a different layer. Hi Kimberly! Glad you had a better night! We've had our dunlop Savvy Rest set for a week now & our backs are doing just great! I have to say that neither of our backs had to "get used to" the firmer dunlop latex. It's firm, supportive, yet yields enough for comfort. Hard to explain, but no soreness or bruised bodies from day one... We decided on Savvy because they sell both talalay and dunlop (natural-no synthetic), so if dunlop proved to be too firm, we could mix it up or even switch to talalay. Turns out the dunlop is perfect . My side is firm/med/soft and DH has firm/med/med (mid layer was supposed to be firm, but Savvy sent med in error & we're testing it this way before returning) I asked for our firm layers to be as close to 40 ILD as possible, and upper ILD ranges for the mediums & soft. I'm wondering... if your soreness returns - can you request some firmer talalay from Flobeds? My hunch is that you need firmer, not softer, as some are suggesting. (I don't mean to toss a monkey-wrench in , but firmer usually works better for most back issues...my DH is proof - body impressions in our 6 yr old innerspring, (high quality) put him on the floor due to shooting nerve pain the inpression was causing. He was sleeping on the floor (on firm, 2" sunbrella chaise cushion) for 7 weeks by the time our latex bed arrived & so far, so good...still no shooting pain or usual stiffness & lower back pain. DH has degenerative disc disease. (the shooting pain, due to body impression, was something new & only went away with 30 mins of walking - a real negative at 3 am! Once he moved to floor-sleeping, the nerve pain disappeared) So, he's always needed a firmer mattress. (He is 5'11" tall and weighs 170 lbs - a lightweight) I have posted our experiences with our Savvy Rest under that specific topic here, and hope to post photos of our dunlop latex today if anyone wants to see what it looks like. As the wife of a fellow back sufferer of 38+ years, I only wish you the very best with your new FloBeds set! Sounds like you are getting there!! This message was modified Oct 25, 2009 by catlover
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Well I've been sleeping on my completed Flobed for around a week. My husband just loves it . . . which is ironic because he complained so bitterly about getting rid of our 15 year old mattress and insisted that paying anything over $800 for a new mattress was a waste of money. I am not so thrilled. I don't know, it just doesn't have the feel I was looking for in a latex mattress. I guess I was looking for that sproingy feel where I'm lying on a bed of jello (to use the analogy that someone came up with recently). When I lie down, the bed compresses around me, and yet it feels firm. I think if I went softer I'd just end up in a crater (which was the problem with the Custom Comfort latex mattress I started out with), yet I would like a softer feel. I guess I'll call Flobeds today and see what they say. At the moment, I'm sort of regretting I didn't go with a trial period on the Tempurpedic first. I will say that my hip pain has about gone away, and there has been a vast improvement over the 15 year old mattress in that I'm not waking up in severe pain at night. But, I'm still experiencing bachache at night and in the morning when I get up. I didn't expect a mattress to solve my problems but I'm just not finding this heavenly to sleep in so far. My only problem is, if I decide a latex mattress isn't right for me, my husband has fallen in love with it :) and there's no way he'll put up with returning it for something different. |
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Yes, I think you should call them and see what they say. If your husband would let you, you could give him 3 XF layers, and you try F/F/XF (for 1 night) and see how that feels. Or, you have nothing to lose by trying a different layer on the top. Maybe have them send 1/2 medium. That would give you several more options. M/XF/XF or M/F/XF or F/M/XF... etc. You can do that on your half, without changing your husbands. I would note the the ILD on medium is 28 and for firm it is 32. So, it is probably not as big of a difference as you think. It is 12.5% softer. So, if you sink in 3" with firm, you would sink in 3.4" with medium (assuming the same percentage holds with different weight levels). If you really like the Tempurpedic feel, you could also try 2" memory foam instead of the convoluted foam. I have done that it does feel different, I would say softer. It does sleep hotter though (perhaps depending on the type of MF). I think Flobeds has some memory foam as well, if you want to try that route. This message was modified Oct 27, 2009 by sandman
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Yes indeed, give Dave a call at FlowBeds and tell them your problem. My guess is he very well may suggest there V-firm, I believe they call it, it's the bed that Dave sleeps on. The top layer is adjustable. You can have a firmer layer for your hips and a softer layer for your shoulders and so forth. So you just change the layers on the top around rather than whole layers of latex. They cost a little more but give you a great deal more flexibility. |
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Kimberly, I know you have spent a great deal on your new bed and probably are not in the mood to spend more, but we found that a thick wool topper adds a very plush feel. It is, by no means, bouncy as you described, but more "cloudlike" for lack of a better term, while still retaining the latex's firm support. We purchased a Snugfleece original. I am not trying to push you in this direction, but do want to point out that Snugfleece allows purchasers a refund if not completely satisfied. I hope that this helps. Philip |
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Kimberly: I had to call FlowBeds today regarding the return of a couple of sample layers. I spoke to Dave Turner about your difficulties with your bed, and how I had suggested the Vzone bed possibility. He said yes, he would be more than happy to work with you if that is what you determine might cure your problem. You can go to the website and read about the Vzone mattress. It is simply a regular bed with the top layer being sliced into segments, or zones, of varying firmness levels. I forget how many zones they can cut it into, but it would make it easy to change out a firmness, as a zone, on the top layer, rather than having to change the entire layer. This would allow a firmer area for your hips, softer areas for other parts of your body. It could be cut to work for a person of your height. And since you have a split mattress it would only have to be on your side of the bed. So it sounds like a perfect solution to what you're encountering with your FlowBeds. I encourage you to give Dave a call. He's a great man to work with. I have thoroughly enjoyed my purchasing experience working with these folks. I just wish all of my purchases in life had been this enjoyable. Good luck to you.  |
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I agree that you should call flobeds and see what they suggest. If that doesn't pan out, you could explore the marshmallow type top layer feel by getting 1-1/2" to 3" of high quality memory foam. That or try a wool topper. Perhaps in your case latex will be a good base but not the best comfort layer. Let us know what happens. |
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I tried someone's suggestion and switched the layers around. Now my side is firm over firm over extra firm, hubby's side is 3 layers of extra firm. I'm finding this more comfortable than the two layers of extra firm. What is bothering me, is when Flobeds sent me a replacement convoluted topper for the king size they accidentally sent me, it's short, both in length and width. It's about an inch to an inch and a half short in both directions. I've worked and worked on it, and it just does not cover the cores, and the cores are snug against each other. Part of me says meh, it doesn't matter because I'm not sleeping on the edge, and part of me says, they sent the wrong thing the first time, the second time it should have been right! Also, when I got finished zipping up the cover after switching the cores around, I discovered the zipper was separating at the beginning point. So I'm not so sure about the quality of the zipper either . . . I suppose I'll call them to discuss these issues. |
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KimberlyH wrote: I tried someone's suggestion and switched the layers around. Now my side is firm over firm over extra firm, hubby's side is 3 layers of extra firm. I'm finding this more comfortable than the two layers of extra firm. What is bothering me, is when Flobeds sent me a replacement convoluted topper for the king size they accidentally sent me, it's short, both in length and width. It's about an inch to an inch and a half short in both directions. I've worked and worked on it, and it just does not cover the cores, and the cores are snug against each other. Part of me says meh, it doesn't matter because I'm not sleeping on the edge, and part of me says, they sent the wrong thing the first time, the second time it should have been right! Also, when I got finished zipping up the cover after switching the cores around, I discovered the zipper was separating at the beginning point. So I'm not so sure about the quality of the zipper either . . . I suppose I'll call them to discuss these issues. Kimberly: I know what you mean about the zipper. It does not look all that substantial to me either. I questioned them about this and was assured that they have had no problem with it. They also told me that the cover has the same guarantee of 10 years that the latex does, IE not pro rated. In the five weeks that I have had my mattress I have had the top of the cover off four or five times now, without any difficulty. But I think it would be good if they put a more heavy duty zipper on the cover. It is particularly difficult to get on the first time, as the cover is slightly smaller than the dimensions for the bed so as to better hold the various pieces together. This requires some stretching and pulling on the cover to get it to fit. A better more heavy-duty zipper would be a plus, it seems to me. It is a particularly good stretch, when you have a king size mattress, across the top of the bed where it is close to the headboard. I'm 6' 2" and it is a good stretch for me. Being off balance like this causes some worry when you have concerns about the zipper. I am surprised to hear that they have sent you two convoluted top pieces of latex that were the wrong size. My piece for the Cal King bed is actually slightly larger so that I have to tuck in the corners. One thing to keep in mind is that this top piece is really two pieces glued together. The seam is so minimal that it is hard to see, but it is there. Evidently somebody has been putting the wrong pieces together. I'm sorry to hear about this, but I also feel sure that they will fix it for you at no cost for the topper or in shipping. I would not hesitate to call them about it. Report back and let us know how it goes. |
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My convoluted top layer is about an inch narrower than my queen bed, but I just kind of shake and pull it when I lay it on top. I think it's probably due to the glue seam--seems like it would be hard to glue that kind of foam and get it perfect. Although it'd be nice if it were perfect, the latex seems quite accommodating and I don't see it as a problem. I've had the top cover off more times than I could possibly count with no problem with the zipper (knock on wood!). I assume it's made out of a nylon material (but maybe plastic?); if so, that's usually very durable. Savvyrest uses a thick brass zipper, but their cover is not stretch fabric; the cotton is heavier and rougher and more like canvas. I must say, I absolutely LOVE the stretchy FloBed cover. I recently, unexpectedly, had the opportunity to see a Savvyrest bed, and did unzip/zip the cover. With the zipper being a bit larger and heavier, it's perhaps easier to get started, and I didn't seem to have to pull the fabric as much (I guess the cover couldn't fit quite as tight being a non-stretch woven fabric) but there was no inside flap as there is on the Flobed cover, so I kept getting the zipper stuck on the fabric on the way around. A little annoying but not a big deal, as it was easy enough to unstick, but I find the FloBed one much easier to do. |
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Linda: Thanks for the information on the Savvy Rest zipper. I think you're the first person who has posted that had experience with both the FlowBeds and the Savvy Rest zipper's. Dave Turner was quite positive about their zipper being durable. I am sorry to hear that Kimberly is having some difficulty with hers. But I'm confident that Dave or Dewey will take good care of her. This message was modified Oct 30, 2009 by eagle2
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| I like the knit Flobed cover too. I'm glad you mentioned what the Savvy Rest cover was constructed of, I would not have liked that at all. I'm buying a second mattress for my daughter, so now I know not to get the Savvy Rest. :) |
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Well, you my dear are headed for countless nights of indescribably delicious sleep!!! I have had my FloBed for more than a year and I STILL look forward to going to bed every nite! IMHO, all latex mattresses should be measured against FloBeds. BTW, thanks to the poster who mentioned Snugfleece. I have never heard of them but plan on ordering one as soon as I finish posting this message. If Shakespeare were alive, I think he would rewrite his famous line to..."Ah, to sleep on a FloBed, perchance to dream..." Gizmodo |
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Kimberly: I am curious what Dave Turner had to say regarding your zipper problem and you're too short top convoluted layer of latex? I was also wondering if you discussed with him about the Vzone bed? |
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I haven't called him yet. It's just a case of inertia - does it really matter that the topper is about an inch too short both ways? Is it worth the hassle of unpacking another new topper, getting the old one off the bed and putting the new one on and zipping the thing up again? Then packing the old topper and lugging it to a UPS store to be shipped back? But now I'm thinking of ordering a medium layer, and if I do, I'll discuss it with him at that point. |
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linda wrote: Savvyrest uses a thick brass zipper, but their cover is not stretch fabric; the cotton is heavier and rougher and more like canvas. I must say, I absolutely LOVE the stretchy FloBed cover. I recently, unexpectedly, had the opportunity to see a Savvyrest bed, and did unzip/zip the cover. With the zipper being a bit larger and heavier, it's perhaps easier to get started, and I didn't seem to have to pull the fabric as much (I guess the cover couldn't fit quite as tight being a non-stretch woven fabric) but there was no inside flap as there is on the Flobed cover, so I kept getting the zipper stuck on the fabric on the way around. A little annoying but not a big deal, as it was easy enough to unstick, but I find the FloBed one much easier to do. You are right, Linda - my organic cotton Savvy cover is not stretch fabric. It is a heavy cotton, but not stiff - it's actually quite soft (I can't recall the proper term, but Savvy's cover is "buffed" or "rubbed" to soften it) So, while it's not the gorgeous damask found on nicer innerspring mattresses (or FloBed), I think it might hold up better to numerous openings over the years. (but will we be opening our beds up that much once we get it right?) Our brass zipper zips along fast without pushing in of latex etc, and it hasn't gotten caught on anything (yet). Unfortunately for Savvy, some people are put off by their cover because it's so "plain", but I recommend either finding a store that has a bed to try, or get the free samples from Savvy. We did both and got the samples first. - including a sample of the cover & wool. When we saw the bed in the store, my initial reaction was "what a great-looking cover"! I wasn't expecting much in looks, but it's all quality, both in looks and feel. I do have to admit that Flobeds has an adorable cover! However, I would only see the sheep once in awhile as we use a nice mattress pad (doesn't everyone?) so the look & feel of the cover didn't place high for me. I guess the practical side of me said to go with durability - and I have to say I am very pleased. I'm very happy to read that all of us who made the difficult decision to go with an expensive latex bed, are having sweet dreams! |
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Catlover: I agree with Kimberly that the FlowBeds cover is quite nice. Their approach is different than Savvy Rest, but that certainly doesn't make it superior. The major thing you want in a cover is that it holds the latex correctly, that the cover is easy to take off and put on, and most important of all, it sleeps comfortably. All of this my FlowBeds cover accomplishes. But I must say that the pictures you took of your bed completed with the cover in place made a very attractive looking mattress. I am happy that you like your new bed, and hope you have many years of enjoyable, and restful sleep upon it. |
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I've had my Flobed for a little over a month now, and thought I'd report back. I ordered both sides F/XF/XF. We slept like that awhile, then - My first change was to make my side F/F/XF and his side XF/XF/XF. I do like a cushy feel and thought this would be more to my taste. But, I found my side too soft and started sleeping on his side, which felt better. Then a few weeks ago I switched them back to F/XF/XF and F/XF/XF. This still felt too soft to me. So, I ordered another XF layer, which arrived yesterday, and now I have XF/XF/XF (me) and F/XF/XF (him). This was more comfortable for me. Sleeping on the Flobed has improved my sleep. I won't say the back issues have disappeared, but I'm much more able to have a good night's rest, and I don't wake up in the morning with back issues that were *caused* by the bed. Last night was a little rough to judge because my back was sore from moving around the latex layers and folding up and packing the Firm layer I'm returning. Also, the day prior, I was moving heavy furniture in my home (2 couches and a heavy entertainment unit) so my back really hurt. If we keep the Flobed though, I think the XF/XF/XF is the right combination for me. All three XF layers are 36 ILD, and this seems to emulate the feel of the Rhapsody bed (in Temperpedic terms) as being very firm with just the amount of give needed to alleviate pressure points. The 2" convoluted topper is 28 ILD. There seems to be enough room within the mattress cover to add another one inch layer, and I'm interested in exploring maybe an inch of 32 ILD below the convoluted layer. My husband has complained on and off about not being able to sleep and being uncomfortable. He asserts that he can sleep on anything, but I'm not sure the Flobed is comfortable for him. He liked the Tempurpedic Rhapsody and he wanted that bed. When I dragged him to the showroom to try out the Tempurpedics, he laid on several, and when he got to the Rhapsody he just fell asleep on me, lol. I let him snooze for 15 minutes, then work him up and he said "I like this bed!" I'm going to give this another month with the Flobed and then and sit him down for a heart to heart about speaking up if the mattress isn't working out for him. Or, maybe I'll have him sleep on my XF/XF/XF side for awhile and see if he likes that better. |
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Hi Kimberly and Others, Thanks for the update. Maybe I'm not remembering but I thought you had said awhile back that your husband loved the Flobed (while you were the one who wasn't so sure)? Anyway, I was wondering what happened... did it just started feeling less comfortable to him or what (or am I not remembering correctly?) Here's an update from my experience. I kept my Flobed even though I can't say it's totally perfect... but then I don't think any bed set-up is (at least not for me). As I mentioned in a post awhile back, since obviously it wasn't possible to take what I felt was best (as per my needs) from several different companies, I picked the one I felt overall most confident about in terms of both product and customer service (and which allowed returns). And that was Flobeds (and they were indeed great to work with). I find my comfort level changes so much depending on my overall body comfort level (I have some ongoing health issues). And I definitely seem to be in the "princess and the pea" category of people... Right now I'm trying to resolve the problem that the pain in my hip is much exacerbated when I lie on my side, which is my preferred sleeping position. This isn't so much a problem with the bed as an ongoing health problem I have. Anyway, even with a soft layer on top, I'm getting it, but not as badly as with a medium layer on top (though the medium layer on top feels better in terms of my lower back). Actually the medium top layer would be fine if I could just learn to sleep only on my back.. but I keep finding myself turned onto my side (conditioned by years of side sleeping). As I also mentioned on another thread awhile back, I have a wool mattress pad (from 20 years ago) which works very well for me in terms of temperature regulation. I know may other people have posted that the wool pads don't work for them or even make the bed feel warmer, so obviously we're all very different in terms of what works. Anyway, I don't know how my pad compares to say the snugfleece or others. But in looking at a pictures of others, mine appears to have longer fleece (hooked to a woven wool backing) and not as dense, so it packs down quite flat, though it's still thickesh. It's also not superwash (which may or may not make a difference; superwash wool actually coats the individual wool strands with a type of synthetic polymer in order to keep the natural wool barbs from felting when washed. It also makes the wool feel softer, but I don't know if it has any impact on the feeling of heat). I have actually always preferred the feeling of the latex without the extra wool topper pad, but every time I took it off, I was less comfortable heat-wise (even thought I tend to run cold and have a lower body tempo than average, I would get slightly sweaty without the pad). However, because the pain in my hip has been getting worse, I decided to take it off again, and see if that would help or hinder the pain. Turns out I am a bit more comfortable without it in terms of pressure point and nerve pain . Go figure because wool pads are suppose to really help with these things! Just goes to show, I guess, how individual we are and sometimes it goes quite contrary to how it's "suppose" to work. I'd still prefer the pad in terms of temp regulation, though it's not as problematic as it was now that the weather here is very cold (and our bedroom is quite cool as we have no central heat, though it's also not very hot at night in the summer where I live, but it's much, much colder now). So I guess I'm one of the people who find the wool pad "cooler in summer", which I know goes against common sense and experience for others! If I have to continue to leave the wool topper off in terms of getting improvement in the hip pain (though I wish I didn't have to), I am going to try and find a very lightweight wool mattress cover instead of cotton. By the way, I just checked my old topper and it's a "Woolrich Orthorest". I don't know if they are still made. I got mine in Canada over 20 years ago. I used it for years on my old mattress (along with another wool-filled topper), but that bed had only one layer of very thin, very firm Dunlap latex. I think with the Flobed it actually interferes with the mattress comfort (except in term of heat regulation) instead of helping as it did with my other. But then my Flobed is way softer and thicker, so not comparable at all to my old bed. I still have my bed set up (top to bottom) soft, firm, firm on one side and medium, medium, X-firm on the other. ( I'm 5 51/2, 130 lbs). My husband is flexible in terms of what he can sleep on (most anything), even thought his side was suppose to be medium, firm, X-firm. Sweet dreams to all, Linda This message was modified Nov 26, 2009 by linda
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Hi Linda! You know, I think you're right, I did post that my husband loved the bed. He told me he did and I think he still feels that way. It's just that he's been complaining about lack of sleep lately, and has seemed to be having trouble getting comfortable in bed, which has me wondering. However, this could also be due to other factors, like stress, and he did hurt his leg running last week. Or it could be because I've been rearranging layers to suit my experimental needs and when he gets the leftover layers, they aren't quite right for him. To be honest, he's so fed up with this mattress odyssey (as are my other family members) they roll their eyes and tune out every time I start talking about them. They just clam up. So I'm just guessing. Linda, it really sounds like you need that zoned layer that Flobeds sells. That way you could vary the softness/firmness by body zone and take care of your hip and back at the same time. When I told them I had hip and lower back pain, they recommended the zoned layer, but I didn't want the extra expense and knowing myself as I do, I was worried I would be continually indecisive about what firmnesses to put in each zone. |
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| Wow, I just saw my last post and the paragraph formatting didn't go through. Don't know why, but it sure makes it unreadable. Sorry for those of you who persisted through it. Anyway, I just tried to edit it and put doublespace between paragraphs and have no idea why it's still coming out as one long paragraph. If anyone can help, let me know and I'll try again so it's more readable. Kimberly, I did try the zoned layer but it didn't seem to work for me... The second night I was on it I woke up with terrible pain; I think cause I had moved off the "correct" zone and gotten twisted or something. I don't know, Perhaps I should have given it a longer try, but I just felt it wasn't for me (which is what I felt in the beginning and so didn't order it with the bed originally). Good luck with tweaking your bed, and I hope your husband ends up liking it. I know my husband got tired of hearing about bed stuff during my decision-making process and then with shifting around the layers... Well as I said, it's not perfect, but I think that's primarily cause of my health issues.... it's very good, given those, though, and waaaaayyy better than any other bed I've ever had. I'm hoping to get adjusted to sleeping on my back which will help I think. |
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Linda: I can't imagine what the problem is with the formatting, as I have not had any problems using Firefox. I avoided the zoned FlowBeds due to the same problem that others have mentioned regarding, "making up my ever loving mind" about what firmness I was going to want. Given the experience I've had so far, I feel confident I made the right choice by avoiding zoning. I am going to try something next week that I've been quite interested in for some time now. I have ordered a firm layer of blended latex. I will be able to roll back and forth, from one side of my California King to the other, and check out how I like a blended piece of firm, compared to a 100% botanically grown natural firm piece of latex. It will be worth the trouble to actually have my own laboratory and check this difference out. I will be sure to report back and let everyone know what I think. Linda, keep the faith and just keep on trying till you find the proper firmness for you. This is the luxury that we who have purchased from FlowBeds have. I can't help but feel some of the criticism that we have endured lately from folks who seem to think that those of us who post possibly about FlowBeds, are shills, is due to the fact that they are a little envious of our ability to have access to this generous exchange policy. I know I have paid more to FloBeds than I would have had to pay to some other niche market latex suppliers. But it was worth it to me to have the generous exchange policy, and return policy, given the fact that our mattresses were purchased over the Internet. This message was modified Nov 26, 2009 by eagle2
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| Thanks for your comments Eagle. I see that my second post is also coming through as one long paragraph. Earlier today I updated my browser (Safari) to the latest so I don't know if that could have something to do with it...? Strange, as I know my earlier posts to the group didn't have this problem. I have enough different layers to try many combinations (and have done so) and the two I described seem to be the best and the ones that I've returned to over and over again. As at this point, I am hoping I can learn to sleep on my back (the bed is quite comfortable that way) and that some health issues will perhaps shift for the better (they've been even worse as of late)... If anyone has experience with wool mattress pads, and have any recommendations, please let me know. Thanks. I'm posting this as 4 paragraphs, but unfortunately it will probably come through as one long one. Oh, just had an idea to try; will see if that works. Sorry to any of you reading this if it doesn't. Then off to bed. It's late! Linda |
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linda wrote: Formatting still didn't work. I"m stumped.... Linda: I'm guessing you're formatting problems have something to do with the way your browser is set up. This business of updating can cause all kinds of problems in the computer world. Believe me! I know what I'm talking about. I've been going through it today. Don't ask! Look within your browser regarding formatting. You should find something there. Just a guess, I'm no computer Guru, and that's a fact. One thing you might try before going to bed. Do some mild and gentle stretching exercises. Particularly on the floor laying on your back. I have had back trouble for years, a lot more when I played tennis. My knee went and had to give up the sport. But one exercise that helped my back was laying on the floor on my back and pulling my knees up and then rolling forward and backward and side to side. Just do something to stretch out the muscles and ligaments so that you can relax when you go to bed. Just don't overdo it. Good luck, you have my best wishes! |
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eagle2 wrote: Kimberly said, "First night's report - whew! the latex really smells. I know this will dissipate quickly, it's not necessarily an unpleasant smell, nor is it overpowering, but it has a slightly sweet, rubbery smell." "Eagle, yes, I did buy the blended talalay and yes, I would characterize the odor as somewhat sweet, it was not at all unpleasant. It was just there. Actually, by the morning I didn't notice it anymore." My assumption is that the excessive odor that you referred to, earlier in this thread, is due to the fact that it is a blended product. What alerted me was your comment that it smells like rubber. The rubber smell that we have learned to associate with rubber, or what we call rubber, is due to petrochemical involvement in the manufacture of these products. After unpacking my bed and smelling actual 100% natural botanically grown Talalay latex, and detecting this sweet cookie dough like odor, was the first time I had actually smelled natural rubber. I'm sure that once your mattress has aired out somewhat, this order will go away. The odor I associate with my mattress is already diminishing considerably. I kind of hate to have it leave, actually. I've grown to rather like it. Thank you for this information. I am very sensitive to chemical odors (i even once had an electronic keyboard that had an odor new out of the box, that still bothered me 6 months after airing out- that no one else seemed to notice). So if I go latex I will try to splurge on 100% botanically grown latex. |
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What the mind does to memory. I see that I reported it really smelled. Now I don't remember the smell being overpowering at all. But yes, sounds like you might be better off with the 100% botanically grown latex. I just got a new layer the other day from Flobeds, and I didn't notice any smell at all from it. BTW, I asked my husband this morning about the bed. He says he likes it a lot, and he doesn't think his sleep issues are related to the mattress in any way. So that answers that question. |
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Jason: I will be receiving a blended piece of latex by the first part of next week. As soon as I unpack it I should have a much better idea of the difference between the odor of 100% botanically grown latex and blended latex. I will report back on my findings. You spoke in another thread about the requirements of returning a FloBeds piece of latex for an exchange, and how there return policy works for a refund. I will try to address that for you. When you order a replacement piece of latex you can give them your credit card number for the cost of the return shipping and they will send along a return shipping label. All you have to do is unpack the new layer of latex, put the old layer of latex in the packaging that you just received, put the label on the box and take it to a UPS station and turn it over to them. One process that seems complicated but isn't, is using your vacuum cleaner to suck the air out of the return piece of latex. Latex is such that you can reduce its size by about two thirds by removing the air from the package. This is how the packages are sent to you, with the air removed. If you decide you do not like the bed during the 90 day, and want your money back give FloBeds a call and discuss it with them. Once they have exhausted all avenues of satisfaction for you and you still want your money back, you simply pay the shipping charges back to FloBeds, once they receive the returned mattress and inspect it for any damage, if there is no damage and the bed is acceptable to them, they will credit your card. That is all there is to it is my understanding. This message was modified Nov 26, 2009 by eagle2
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