After all the help I received here, I wanted to report on our new foambymail (aka The Foam Factory, and here just "FBM") mattress. We ordered on 5/27/11, and even with the Memorial Day Holiday, received our order exactly 1 week later on 6/3/11. Here is what we ordered: Latex: 6" 36 ILD core + 2" 32 ILD mid-core + 2" 20 ILD topper (all 100% natural talalay), upgrade to 10" Terry cloth cover, at a cost of $1,216 total with free shipping. Foundation: http://www.amazon.com/Thick-Foundation-memory-latex-mattresses/dp/B002RVCSRI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1305859732&sr=8-3 $229 with free shipping. I added 4 more slats to this to bring the spacing from 3.75" to 2". Cost at Home Depot was around $10. Pad/Protector/Topper: undecided at this point For background on how we got to this point, see my thread here: http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/advice-needed-my-diy-all-latex-project/19004-A-1.html So, here are the pics:
We are absolutely loving our new FBM DIY mattress. As we were putting together the layers, the two 2" layers were not labeled with ILD numbers or descriptors "medium"/"soft." However, it was very obvious which one was softer. Laying just on the 3 layers of latex, without even the terry cloth cover, the mattress was very, very soft (but still supportive). However, there was a bit of a jiggly feel to it that others have mentioned. I wonder if a firmer Dunlop core would feel as jiggly. With the terry cloth cover on, the mattress felt slightly firmer and less jiggly. Overall, I consider the feel of this mattress soft, but it is very supportive - sort of the best of both worlds. It is amazing how much anything on top changes the feel of the latex. Since I was unsure of what mattress pad or topper I might want to go with, I first tried this one (http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=110636&RN=559&) I picked it up at Bed, Bath & Beyond with a 20% off coupon just because they have such a liberal return policy. I liked how this pad gave a slightly more "enveloping"/"sink in" feel to the mattress, but it actually firmed up the mattress a little too much. Also, after sleeping on a natural feather bed for years, this pad with poly fill felt hot to me. We took it back to BB&B the next day. Just for kicks, we did an even exchange for this 2" featherbed topper (http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=126595&RN=560&) which is on order for us. In the meantime, we have slept 2 nights with just a fleece winter sheet (for some protection of the mattress) under our normal cotten summer sheet. This feels really nice and we're both sleeping great as is, but I did like the little more enveloping, plush feel the pad gave. My guess is that we will ultimately take back the 2" featherbed too, but I'd rather try different options from a store that allows returns. We may love it and be done, but I am thinking we will end up with a thinner topper comprised of either down/feather or wool. My thought here is that anything in the 1/2" to 1" range will give a cush feel but still allow the latex to do the job of supporting us, and the natural fibers will do the job of regulating temperature. I have scoured the net looking at options in this thickness and am considering the following: http://www.thedownstore.com/catalog/mattresspads&toppers/downmattresspads&toppers.htm (1/2" pure down pad for $225), http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/57166?pi=950603&subrnd=0&qs=3006448_pmd_amazon (all down pad for $189), or http://www.naturaworld.com/topper-classic (18oz per s.y. wool fill topper for $220 from The DownStore). If we end up deciding that we want to keep the feel as is, we'll go with the Dormier pad - http://www.flobeds.com/product_details.htm?ID=2140EK ($160). If anyone has any other recommendations or thoughts on the pad/topper, I would love to hear them. Overall, we are extremely pleased with our new latex mattress and the experience we had with FBM. I am glad to answer any questions. -Cliff |
Beautiful! Love the pics and the way you laid it out so we can see exactly how you achieved your great results! Please keep us posted! Thanks!! |
All I can say is WOW! Nice looking latex and you turned that minimal foundation into a quality founddation. I agree that you want to sleep as close to the latex as possible. I purchased this moisture barrier as it is thin and less expensive than others http://www.amenityhome.com/bedroom/organic-bedding/matress-protector.html Those photos should convince people that DIY is a good option. |
Also, thanks to the OP for the great photos. This message was modified Jun 7, 2011 by terrieb
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I have yet to receive the mattress, mattress pad or the bed and nightstand. They will ship together. Still have another month of torturous waiting. I think there are a number of places that sell similar puddle pad, moisture barrier, but they were quite a bit more in price. I didn't want anything bulky to take away from that nice latex feeling. |
This is exactly what I'm considering. Thanks so much for the pics and explanation of your choices.
Still awaiting your decision on what you'll go with for a top cover. We'd probably want to sleep as cool as possible.
Do you happen to have a pic of laying on the bare latex and how it compresses in each layer with a person's weight? Any problems or noise with the foundation you chose?
Thanks again! This message was modified Jun 8, 2011 by mattman
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I'm envious of you. Wonderful mattress!! Tell me this, when you were moving you pieces, did you got shocked? While my wife and I were moving our topper, we were getting shocked like hell. |
Appreciate all of the positive comments! Glad the pics are helpful.
mattman, sorry I didn't get any shots of my wife laying on just the latex. I would offer to do it, but the terry cloth cover is a pain to zip on and off. We have no noise problems at all with the foundation. As I mentioned, I did screw in all of the slats in 3 places while the instructions called for only the first and last slats to be attached by screws.
need2sleep, I didn't get shocked when installing in our bedroom. However, we moved our old mattress set into our daughter's bedroom temporarily just for her to have fun jumping on, and I moved the soft topper in there to see what a latex topper felt like on a spring mattress. When I went to collect it and move it back, I don't think I've ever been shocked so hard by static electricity. Ouch!
The mattress continues to sleep great with no additional topper. I was tired early last night which is rare for me, so I slept a solid 9 hours last night without waking. I awoke with no pains or twinge in my low back as I sometimes might have in the past. The featherbed will arrive Friday, so I'll report back after we try it.
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Ok, so the featherbed came in yesterday and I returned it to BB&B the same day. It ended up being much thicker than I thought it was, and it totally removed all of the latex feel. It basically felt just like our old setup of a featherbed on top of the spring mattress, and I could tell it was going to have the lumpy, crushed out feel of our old featherbed in no time. At least it didn't cost anything to try it.
In continuing my search for a pad or topper, I narrowed down my search to wool fill pads. From reading, wool seems clearly superior certainly to snythetic fibers and even down. Before going with the Dormier, I at least would like to try a wool pad with some cushy, softness to go over the latex. I'm sleeping very comfortably now, but still would like a little more of a cush, plush feel. I've spent probably hours pouring through various sites. Besides wool being pretty expensive, most sites that had a pad that I would like to try had a no return policy for their mattress pads. Well I just stumbled on this pad at Sierra Trading Post (I use STP often for gear or outdoor clothing, and didn't realize that they have bedding): http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/,2786T_Downtown-Mattress-Pad-King-Merino-Wool-Fill-Anchor-Bands.html Using the one day site coupon of 20% off, I've got this coming to me with shipping for $167. Unfortunately, it looks as if I bought the last one. There were more reviews for the queen size, and they were all very positive. Here is the manuf. website with more details: http://www.downtowncompany.com/matress_pads.html (hover over the middle left picture to see detail, click for description - 100% merino wool obtained from free range sheep, 100% cotton cover). Looks to be about 1.25" thick. I'm excited about this find for that price, and best of all it is returnable with STP if I don't like it. I ran across 2 pads in my research that seem interesting - one as a possible Dormier alternative at a lower price, and the other as an expensive, but high quality thick pad. Here is the inexpensive one: http://www.gatewaymattressfactory.com/30.html (quilted wool with cotten cover, $119 queen, $139 king). Here is the really nice one: http://www.gatewaymattressfactory.com/27.html (cotton/bamboo blend cover, quilted wool, .8" layer of latex, 2" total thickness, for $289 queen and $359 king). If it weren't so expensive (and probably non-returnable), I would love to try this pad. It looks really nice. I'll report back on the DownTown wool pad when we receive it. -Cliff This message was modified Jun 11, 2011 by TheLTFM
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This thread is a great resource - thanks for making the efforts to post the pics. It really helps put the whole process together. How difficult do you think it would be to move that mattress with just the terry cloth cover if you had to? Do you think you'd have to break it back down to do so? I'm also trying to decide on what cover to put over the latex layers I end up buying - looking forward to hearing your results. |
proof1st, you're welcome - glad the pics are helpful. I would definitely break the mattress down to move it. If for no other reason than the total weight of the thing is 167lbs (101+33+33). It would be a beast to move, and the 2" layers might get torn. |
TheLTFM - did you notice a strong odor from the core or topper when you got it? I ordered a latex topper from FBM but haven't been able to sue it yet because of the smell. It permeated my whole house at first, but after airing the past few days it's only noticeable upstairs. Interestingly, my son can't smell it at all. I wonder if this means I will develop a latex allergy if I use it? Does anyone know about that? |
Thanks for the report. I love all the tinkering and DIYs that people on this site do. :-) Beats heck out of just taking whatever junk the mattress makers are cranking out nowadays. |
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Cliff - I had heard that FBM uses the same ILD latex for the 6" 36 ILD and the 2" 32 ILD, just cut to different thickness. Do you have any impressions based on comparing the softness of the 6" 36 ILD and the 2" 32 ILD pieces you have? |
My understanding is that the ILD's in reality are more of a small range with the stated number a kind of average. With these 2 being just 4 ILD's apart, it would make sense that they would have a similar feel. I didn't really A-B compare the 2 with that thought in mind, but I did lay on each layer as I "built" the mattress. I do recall that the 32 ILD on top of the 6" core felt a bit softer, but not by much. I don't know if that helps any, but that was my experience. |
This was an extremely helpful post with photos - and links. Thank you. |
Great post! And I'm happy you are happy with your DIY mattress! |
Thank you so much for taking the time to put together this post it is wonderful. The moderators should sticky it! |
Absolutely love this post, Great looking bed and so many new ideas. Hopefully you are still sleeping happily.
Sleep well my friends sleep well :) |
Thanks so much for the kind comments. Glad to be able to help out since I learned so much from everyone here. I wanted to give a 6 week update. I am sad to say that my new mattress has resulted in one major problem - I am now keenly aware of how awful most hotel mattresses are and have a harder time sleeping while travelling. Seriously, a latex mattress is so unique in the feel that it has that it is not replicated by other mattresses. Fortunately, I don't travel that much, so this isn't that big of a problem. We continue to love our latex mattress! As chronicled above, we tried out a number of toppers before settling on the one we are now using. I reported above on the Down Town wool topper that I ordered from Sierra Trading Post. They are not stocking anymore, but I found it here: http://www.finelinenandbath.com/store/down-town-pillows-and-comforters/product/down-town-wool-filled-mattress-pad/ A little more than I paid for it, but still a nice price at $209 for a king size. Here are some pics of the topper:
This pad has been great. It is only about .75" thick so it doesn't change the feel of the latex too much. I think another thing that helps is that the pad is slightly oversized, so I intentionally put it on without stretching it tight so that it can give more with the latex. The pad gives the latex just the right amount of plush feeling. The latex itself is plently soft enough and sleeps great, but to me it lacks a "luxurious" feel to it. With this topper, the mattress has that. And it is great to be sleeping on natural wool fibers. In our 100 degree Mississippi heat, it is sleeping cool! The one knock some might have on it are the anchor bands, but I think this is an advantage to not fitting the pad too tight to the latex. We have not had any problems with it moving on top of the FBM terry cover. -Cliff This message was modified Jul 16, 2011 by TheLTFM
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where did you find the 10" terry coth cover? The largest on FBM I see is 8" (goes to 9). How do I get a 10? I'm looking to do the same setup, but was actually thinking on getting one extra 1" 20 ILD topper (instead of just one 3" 20ILD, i can the the 1" back off it too soft). Also, anyone know if the foam bed bridge at FBM works? I'm thinking of a split king. This may let me have a two piece top. |
Can't help on the bed bridge. |