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Hi Folks, Back to experimenting with surgery mattress... tried my "stack" with and without even a relatively thin 10 year old basic cotton skirted pad (JC Penney)... no more than 3/16 inch thick... and the difference was huge. Much better without the pad.. which stiffened up and firmed up my top layers of 4 lb mem foam and 19 lb latex so that the comfort supplied by them without the pad was.... almost unnoticeable! So soft and flexible pad is very important, as many here have commented. So here is the question: which of these do you have. like, and recommend.. or would you choose?
1. Walmart (Sandman's) Out of stock but $169 delivered? 2. St. Dormeir $169 free shipping at cuddledown.com - Nonreturnable 3. Natura washable $169 at Bed & Bath order online only.... + 8% sales tax + $15 shipping o= $198 maybe less 20% coupon... but returnable?
I am inclined to go with returnable Natura, though folks here rave about St. Dormeir. Thoughts, anyone? thanks! shovel99 This message was modified Oct 6, 2010 by shovel99
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Phoenix wrote: Well I received the Natura from Costco. Actually that's not quite accurate since I'm in Canada at the moment and won't be able to give my personal review for some time but I did ask my sweetie a lot of questions about it and here is the second hand review. It is thinner than the other Natura's that we saw and probably much closer to the Dormier in thickness (my guess would be about 8oz/sq yd). It doesn't seem to change the feel of the mattress one way or another and she says she really likes how it feels on top of the mattress. It is well made (and she looks carefully at stuff like this) and the sides fit easily over the mattress and stay there. There is no "crinkly" feeling from the waterproof/breathable membrane. The one thing she mentioned is that it had a very strong smell (she is very sensitive to smells) and that she had to air it out for a couple of days before it went away. It is now gone though and she is very happy. She will be sending me pictures of it when she has a chance (top and bottom) and when I get them I will post them here. All in all a very happy purchase :) Phoenix Glad your significant other is happy with the Natura. Give us a review after you have used it a month. Pictures would be great too. I have come to the sad conclusion though no mattress cover will ever work for me. I thought I loved the Dormeir until the fifth night, I do love it for back sleeping, but side sleeping caused worse hip pain than before. Yes I do feel the stitching. Guess I have more weight in the hips than the skinnier folks here, or they don't side sleep. My latex is 4" of 24ILD. So not everyone loves the same thing. I don't have a mattress cover built in the Dormeir is directly over the latex, maybe that is the difference. I sink in more. This message was modified Nov 12, 2010 by Leo3
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Leo3 wrote:
Glad your significant other is happy with the Natura. Give us a review after you have used it a month. Pictures would be great too. I have come to the sad conclusion though no mattress cover will ever work for me. I thought I loved the Dormeir until the fifth night, I do love it for back sleeping, but side sleeping caused worse hip pain than before. Yes I do feel the stitching. Guess I have more weight in the hips than the skinnier folks here, or they don't side sleep. My latex is 4" of 24ILD. So not everyone loves the same thing. I don't have a mattress cover built in the Dormeir is directly over the latex, maybe that is the difference. I sink in more. |
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Here are the promised pictures of the Natura waterproof/breathable/washable wool mattress pad from Costco as promised. They (like my mattress pictures) were taken in artificial light so the colors aren't quite accurate. Phoenix This message was modified Nov 16, 2010 by Phoenix
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![#1](<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoenix823/5181320000/" title="natura1 by onno823, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1300/5181320000_15120f060e.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="natura1" /></a>)
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![#3](<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoenix823/5180721067/" title="natura3 by onno823, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1311/5180721067_14507b4d44.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="natura3" /></a>)
![#4](<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoenix823/5181320600/" title="natura4 by onno823, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5181320600_720898e83e.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="natura4" /></a>)
![#5](<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoenix823/5181320802/" title="natura5 by onno823, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/5181320802_e9d7e8c0bb.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="natura5" /></a>)
![#6](<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoenix823/5180721691/" title="natura6 by onno823, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1308/5180721691_8ef1547fb5.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="natura6" /></a>)
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Came from Cuddledown.com through McGlaughlin Interiors.. not sure how that worked?... $184 "on sale" shipping included. Very high quality product made my surgery project look like a real mattress again! Definitely adds some stiffness (compared to only a sheet over the stack), and feels warmer even than sleeping only on a sheet over top layer of 1" 4lb memory foam, if you can imagine that. As an engineer, having a hard time believing that it can be 'warmer in winter' (yes) and 'cooler in summer' (???????), and may have it long enough to find out. The first night I woke up with the stabbing pinched shoulder pain... 1st in months, when experimenting with the cotton flannel sheet blanket. But the curious thing is that after a day or two, I started sleeping OK on it... even "better." I am suspicious that the improvement was that I adapted to the firmer mattress by sleeping on my back to escape the shoulder crunch... and then the firmer feel was better for my lower back problems. There is some extra give from the plush top vs. only a sheet... so a layer of 14 ILD may work just right.. or some other combination might be perfect. Since I have at least 2 half ;pieces of at least 6 different firmnesses and materials, I can now retry them all with the new topper. From set theory: 6x6x5x4x3x2 possible combinations for 6 inches high, or 4,320 possibilities.... 11.8 years at just once per night. I'll be back in touch! Shovel99/ Paul This message was modified Feb 3, 2011 by shovel99
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So everyone seems to think that Dormier product is best if you want the least change to your existing mattress. But what if (like me) you are looking to soften (pillowtop up) your mattress? Is one of the Natura toppers better? Also, I assume that in general toppers have more wool in them than pads, so if you want plushness/softness you want a topper, not a pad? I guess the bad thing about toppers is that they usually don't have straps or any other way to attach to the mattress, so they can slip around? Steve |
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st3v3k4hn wrote: So everyone seems to think that Dormier product is best if you want the least change to your existing mattress. But what if (like me) you are looking to soften (pillowtop up) your mattress? Is one of the Natura toppers better?
Also, I assume that in general toppers have more wool in them than pads, so if you want plushness/softness you want a topper, not a pad? I guess the bad thing about toppers is that they usually don't have straps or any other way to attach to the mattress, so they can slip around? Steve |
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"you can't really machine launder wool toppers anyway." Actually there are washable wool toppers now, like this one from Natura: http://www.naturaworld.com/topper-washable It's about 1.25" thick which should help in terms of softness. I was hot on this because I fear that any wool will eventually compress and form body impressions, and I thought that washing would "fix" the body impressions. However, I asked about this on the Natura website and they said that "Washing will not guarantee refluffing." So now I am less interested. In addition, it doesn't have straps or anything to hold it in place, just sits on top of the bed. And its pretty pricey ($360 for king). So, still looking... Steve This message was modified Feb 4, 2011 by st3v3k4hn
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st3v3k4hn wrote: "you can't really machine launder wool toppers anyway."
Actually there are washable wool toppers now, like this one from Natura: http://www.naturaworld.com/topper-washable It's about 1.25" thick which should help in terms of softness. I was hot on this because I fear that any wool will eventually compress and form body impressions, and I thought that washing would "fix" the body impressions. However, I asked about this on the Natura website and they said that "Washing will not guarantee refluffing." So now I am less interested. In addition, it doesn't have straps or anything to hold it in place, just sits on top of the bed. And its pretty pricey ($360 for king). So, still looking... Steve A Dormeir and a comfort plus topper could be had for not much more than the price of the washable topper. and you would be getting 43 oz of wool per yard versus 18. |
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I am so worried about body impressions that I don't think I want more than an inch or 2 of wool. Natura says the classic is 1.25" thick which sounds about perfect to me. I'm just trying to figure out if this would be softer than Dormier? Steve |
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I have decided that I don't like the feel of the St. Dormier and will be selling it. Anyone in this thread interested? It has been slept on perhaps a week, and has been covered by a sheet, and will come As New in the original packing. I am thinking $140 shipped to Conus? Does that sound fair? Good luck to all.
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