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After lurking on this forum for quite a long time, I decided to purchase a SleepEZ 10000 Cal King. Since I live in Southern California, I took a day trip to Scottsdale in order to check out SleepEZ’s showroom. Shawn was out of town but Jeremy did a nice job showing me SleepEZ’s products. I am about 360 lbs. and my wife is about 260 lbs. That makes us a bit heavier than many on this forum. I was a bit concerned about bottoming out a latex mattress. Nevertheless, we decided on the 10000 model based on Shawn’s recommendations and the fact that my wife thought that our existing bed was already too high off the ground. We chose blended talalay over natural talalay based on Shawn’s recommendation and my showroom experience; I did not detect an appreciable difference between blended and natural talalay. However, there was a large difference between dunlop and talalay, the dunlop feeling much too rigid given the same firmness rating. Shawn recommended XF/F/M for both sides. I am pretty much a back sleeper and my wife is primarily a side sleeper. My wife tends to like a softer bed than I, which is why we previously owned a plush Stearns & Foster pillowtop. Also, based on Shawn’s recommendation, we used our existing box spring topped with ¾” plywood. I chose finished plywood and did a rough sanding in order to prevent abrasion damage to the mattress cover. After many nights with a canoed mattress and resulting back pain, I was really looking forward to a great night’s sleep. However, there are problems. I have slept on the new bed for four nights. I wake up in the morning with back strain. It is feels like the kind of pain and stiffness you get from pressure points. I am waking up several times a night trying to find a more comfortable sleep position. I will give the bed a few more nights as is because the discomfort is much less than with the S&F and perhaps I am not used to the new bed. My wife is in full revolt. As a result, I have already asked for a soft layer to experiment with. My wife can happily sleep on an old PU foam recliner and so a softer bed may work for her. On the other hand, I am wary of going any softer on my side, concerned about back support. I am wondering whether a soft mattress topper may be the best solution. Anyone have any advice or recommendations? |
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From my experience with Latex, I can't sleep on it without a thin soft latex topper over it to give me the cushion I need with the firm support over the cushion. I love my latex bed. The topper that came with the FloBed was too thick for me so I bought a 1" topper from Brylane Homes and my bed is just right for me with all 36 to 44 ILD's under the topper. I never had a bed so supportive and comfortable at the same time. It did take me several exchanges to realize I need a very firm bed but need some cushion for my pressure points. I am petite so that is why only a 1" topper worked for me. If was a bigger person, I probably would have liked the 2" topper that came with my bed. I would discuss a topper with SleepEZ and try that first. I like how my topper fits inside my zippered mattress cover.
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I am going to say something different here and opine that your bed is actually too soft already. I don't remember exactly how the "S" "M" "F" and "XF" designations compare between Sleepez and Flobeds, but I am heavy at ~ 250 lbs and anything under 36 ILD in blended talalay was too soft to support my weight and back (side sleeper, too). However, my bed is a Flobed and it comes with a 2" soft convoluted topper over the three layers of 36 ILD latex. If there is one quibble I have with Sleepez, it is that I think they tend to recommend beds on the soft side, they are always recommending medium and soft layers. These layers are 3" thick, and for a heavy person, that's too much softness. My daughter's bed is a Sleepez, and while I have fun lying on it and it's wonderfully springy, I would never sleep on it. I recommend that you go FIRMER, not softer, and top the firmer mattress with a thinner soft topper. The F and Medium layers probably don't offer enough support. Or, if you have pressure point issues, you might have been better with the Flobeds model that has a layer with zoned latex (softer latex at the pressure point areas. |
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To comment on the last post, Sleepez and Flobeds rates their firmness levels differently so unless you compare the ILD then it is not the same. Sleepez rates their firmness levels as: Soft 22-24 ILD Medium 30-32 ILD Firm 38-40 ILD Extra Firm 44 ILD Flobeds rates theirs as: Soft 19-22 ILD Medium 26-30 ILD Firm 30-34 ILD Extra Firm 34-38 ILD Super Firm 42-46 ILD So as you can see they are not rated the same and Sleepez is almost one step up from Flobeds in firmness level. You also have to account for the fact that Sleepez does not have a soft topper like Flobeds does. This message was modified Jul 15, 2010 by Mike22
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| I'm beginning to think along Kimberly H's line. In order to placate my wife until I get the soft layer, I decided to top my bed with a Costco 3" memory foam topper that we used on our old bed. My wife is happy with the softness, but it is killing me. I can't even fall asleep at a reasonable hour. It is much too soft and I'm getting back problems in the morning. I'm thinking about going XF/XF/F and getting a 2" soft talalay topper. Since my dear Princess and the Pea wife likes it so soft, I'll just borrow her XF and give her F/M/S. |
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For you, I think this is a good plan. Reviewing the Sleepez firmness levels that Mike so kindly posted, I'm amazed that such a soft configuration could work for your wife . . . . but if it works, fine. But the configuration you're thinking about for yourself sounds great. Be aware that at that firmness level, the latex mattress won't be bouncy and springy, it will be firm, with enough resiliance to relieve your pressure points. Please keep us posted on your progress. |
| One thing I have noticed and I am not sure if I am correct in this assumption, but I have come to the conclusion that if a bed is immediately uncomfortable then I think it is from pressure points meaning the bed is to firm. If it is comfortable like my bed is to me at first, but wake up with a sore back, I think it is from a lack of support meaning it's to soft. This is a problem I have been having, finding a bed that has the proper support, but is soft enough to relieve pressure points. |
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It has been a week since I reconfigured my bed. My side is XF/XF/F and my wife's is F/M/M with a 3" memory foam topper. I am experiencing back pain pretty quickly after getting into bed, tossing and turning throughout the night and waking up sore all over. My wife is waking up with back stiffness. Clearly something isn't right. I'm going to remove the topper and try the bed as currently configured for a while. I do have a soft layer in reserve if my wife wants to try it.
I expect to be uncomfortable for the next few nights, but I'm hoping to get my wife set. I'm still thinking about a 2" convoluted latex topper in the near future. |
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TheOC wrote:
It has been a week since I reconfigured my bed. My side is XF/XF/F and my wife's is F/M/M with a 3" memory foam topper. I am experiencing back pain pretty quickly after getting into bed, tossing and turning throughout the night and waking up sore all over. My wife is waking up with back stiffness. Clearly something isn't right. I'm going to remove the topper and try the bed as currently configured for a while. I do have a soft layer in reserve if my wife wants to try it.
I expect to be uncomfortable for the next few nights, but I'm hoping to get my wife set. I'm still thinking about a 2" convoluted latex topper in the near future. Yes, try with no memory foam and see how it goes. Maybe give the wife a soft layer if you are going without the memory foam. If too firm for you then may try the medium instead of the firm. This message was modified Jul 27, 2010 by sandman
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Mike22 wrote: This is a problem I have been having, finding a bed that has the proper support, but is soft enough to relieve pressure points. This message was modified Jul 27, 2010 by tnpd
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tnpd,
How can Flobeds be out of your budget if you are considering the Rhapsody? Is there really that much difference in their respective prices for a given size? Philip This message was modified Jul 27, 2010 by Philip
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