Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Sep 21, 2010 9:10 AM
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Hi,

            I’m a newbie but have been doing lots of research the last few weeks so I have a “little” bit of knowledge now on this subject.  I was wondering about the lack of reviews on the Keetsa mattresses?  I saw them mentioned here:

 

http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/stearns-foster-luxury-firm-too-soft-gah-what-are-my-options/14293-21-1.html

 

So being from NY I stopped by to take a look at the Keetsa Latex as it really sounded like what I was looking for.  (Nothing fancy, just an innerspring mattress with better quality materials than the “S” Brands, but without getting into Shifman/Hästens pricing).  Unfortunately, their latex/innerspring mattress was way too soft… but I really liked the feel of their Tea Leaf Dream and their Tea Leaf Classic which are innerspring with a claimed “Memory Foam”.  Their “Memory Foam” doesn’t really feel like most memory foams.  It feels between the dead feel of a tempurpedic and the springiness of a latex.  The company has a good warrantee (from how it sounds) and they were much better to deal with than, say, Sleepys… but I can’t find any reviews on this board even though there are quite a few on other random pages which makes me nervous…. Any reason for that? 

 

Also, I’m a bit confused on the slatted bases.  I have a bed frame that has a ledge on both sides to support a box spring, and then there are 3 cross braces evenly spaced that go left to right with center legs for support.  There is no ledge on the headboard or footboard.  Would I be able to lay an Ikea Sultan Laxeby slatted base right onto that, or does it need to be used with an Ikea bed?  Do I need to add some sort of center rail between the cross braces?  I ask because it’s a king size bed and it looks like many box springs/slatted bases are 2 pieces, and the inboard side of both of them will basically just be held up by the 3 points of contact with those crossrails.

Thanks in Advance!

Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #1 Sep 21, 2010 10:58 AM
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Hi,

 I am using the king Ikea Laxeby with a non-ikea bed very similar in configuration to yours. Mine has 4 cross braces vs your 3 though.

The king laxeby is actually 2 separate frames put together and is exactly the same width as the mattress (76") when assembled.

My frame is quite a bit wider on the inside dimension than the base/mattress @ 79.5" so the laxeby has some room on either side and I find the frame supports it with no problem.

Here is an simplified diagram looking from the end. The arrows show the weight bearing points on my frame.

(edit.. having problems embedding an image, try the link)

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/Ganderson_01/LAXFRAME.jpg

This message was modified Sep 21, 2010 by Ganderson
Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #2 Sep 21, 2010 1:44 PM
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Thanks so much for that diagram! It actually makes me more concerned though about the strength though... Are there minimum recomended contact points on this or something?  I will see if I can get more of those cross braces.  Maybe I'm just overthinking how much support I need...

 

Ganderson wrote:

The arrows show the weight bearing points on my frame.

(edit.. having problems embedding an image, try the link)

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/Ganderson_01/LAXFRAME.jpg


 

Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #3 Sep 21, 2010 2:26 PM
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The construction of your bed will determine if the weight distribution will work.

If you are concerned, adding more braces or laying down a plywood platform will help distribute the weight more evenly.

Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #4 Sep 22, 2010 9:34 AM
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Okay, well, with the lack of responses on the Keetsa maybe I should make the question simpler.  I really liked the feel of the Keetsa Tea Leaf Dream, but my intent on going there was to find an innerspring mattress that does not use PU foam.  The fact that it uses about 4" of "Memory" foam... which is a type of PU foam has me wondering if I am defeating the whole purpose of looking at one.  They call it a "Bio Foam" since it is 20% Natural and only 80% synthetic.  The fact that they are made in China also has me a bit concerned because your always hearing about items from there off-gassing harmful stuff (paint used in toys, the whole drywall debacle etc.)  I am >< close to just buying a S&F extra firm mattress and dealing with comfort issues through experimenting with toppers as I can't find a simple innerspring mattress that does not use PU foam that I can buy complete with boxspring for under $3,000 in a king. 

 

XJGPN wrote:

 I was wondering about the lack of reviews on the Keetsa mattresses? 



Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #5 Sep 22, 2010 11:48 AM
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I do believe that Green Sleep has some models that would be under $3,000.  They use coils and latex, no PU foam whatsoever.
Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #6 Sep 23, 2010 10:10 PM
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DianeK wrote:

I do believe that Green Sleep has some models that would be under $3,000.  They use coils and latex, no PU foam whatsoever.


It's funny you mention that, Budgy actually pointed me to a few mattresses... namely the Royal Pedic, Green Sleep & a sleeptek that is sold in the US by "The Clean Bedroom" as the "Naturally Organic European Tufted Cotton Organic Mattress".  Since  all three of those lines are carried by The Clean Bedroom, I swung up to their Westport location today to check them out.  Unfortunately they didn't have any Green Sleep in the showroom, but they had both the Royal Pedic and "Naturally Organic" on the floor so I was able to compare them.  I liked them both a lot, and found them to be fairly comparable in feel.  The Royal Pedic is a good bit more money than the "Naturally Organic" though which has me leaning towards the Naturally Organic.  Unfortunately I am not enough of an expert to comment on build quality, but they both appeared to be very nice and neither one seemed notably better or worse than the other.  The biggest difference is that the Royal Pedic was slightly firmer, and was on a box spring, VS the Naturally Organic which was a touch softer on a very stout slat base.  This had me wondering a bit about lengevity and what not.... but once again, I don't really know enough if that is an actual concern or not.  Both of these mattresses are innerspring, cotton and wool only with no foam in them.  I like the idea of that style of mattress since my understanding is that they sleep cooler than even a Latex.... Not sure if that is true, but it is what I have gathered...   Any additional comments are appreciated as I am probably going to pull the trigger on this purchase this weekend.  Thank you.
 

Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #7 Sep 25, 2010 10:34 AM
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Ugh, nothing is easy with searching fo a mattress.  I was 99% decided on going with The Clean Bedroom's "Naturally Organic European Tufted Cotton Organic Mattress"... but I started going through the fine print on it and there are no returns for any reason and the warrantee is 10 year.  This has me a bit spooked since I've seen people here who ended up having problems with comfort or the way the mattress arrived and had to return them.  Thoughts? Am I overthinking the warranee issue?  It makes me nervous to buy something from someone when they are so up front about the fact that they don't stand behind their products.
Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #8 Sep 25, 2010 12:58 PM
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yikes...I wouldn't worry about the manufacturing honouring warranty should any issues arise...but having some kind of basic comfort exchange priveleges should be an option....not a lot of places offer full refund...its not something a store should offer on a mattress unless they are selling online only.  Ask them that if you are not happy with the mattress and wish to exchange it for say the Royal Pedic if they would allow you to do this if you paid the difference, I think that is more than reasonable.
Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #9 Sep 26, 2010 12:54 PM
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I'm not sure, from their "Guarantee" on their website:

"Refusing shipment will result in your credit card being charged for both outbound and return shipping, plus applicable re-stocking fees. WE DO NOT OFFER A RETURN POLICY ON ANY MATTRESS, FUTON OR FOUNDATION. If any mattress, futon, or foundation is returned to us, we will refuse shipment."

Bold font is actually in their "Guarantee"... I did not add that for emphasis.... Either way, it's not something that I anticipate using and as you point out, I still have the manufacturer's warrantee in case of issues... I am just hesitant after reading horror stories on this site of people getting damaged mattresses and the stores refusing to take them back and such.  (good example of what I mean: http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/cc-mattress-sealy-avoid/4470-A-1.html )

I'm less concerned about it being a "comfort guarantee" than it being something where if it arrives messed up I would have no recourse, but either way, I liked how with some companies (flobeds especially) I felt comfortable that if I didn't get what I was expecting, They would either make it right or refund the purchase price. 

Re: Newbie questions. Keetsa & Sultan Laxeby
Reply #10 Sep 26, 2010 1:23 PM
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That is a pretty negative policy....I understand completely what you mean about this not exactly being about if you simply don't like the mattress itself...just more so if something shows up damaged or in somehow unacceptable condition...you need recourse for that.  You would think that on their warranty page it would list these types of exceptions to their return policy.  I would call and ask to speak to a manager to just clarify what exactly they would do in the event that something shows up in used or damaged condition that you have a return option.  Or that they will atleast look after you and send out another brand new one to rectify it. Make sure you get it in writing before ordering if you are really concerned about it.

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