Mattress Forum

http://www.sertacanada.com/#/trump-home-luxury-a-signature-serta-mattress-collection

I don't know how tall it is, but it looks like it's got the usual kinds of problems.

http://www.mattress-wiz.com/serta-trump-mattress-reviews-donald-trump-seven-springs-king-west-side-queen.html

Looks great though, doesn't it? Is that a separate removable topper it has?

We have a local mfr. about 2 miles from my house -  http://www.selectsleepmattress.com/home.html

It's a smaller place with a couple salespeople and 4 or 5 in the mfr. area in back.   He makes coil and individual coil mattresses only with velcro at the corners, then you select a topper that has a cover with matching velcro.  Put them together and you have a mattress.

His coil mattresses are not high end though.  We have 2 in the house.  It's pretty much a Bonnel coil with 390 coils in a Queen.  He makes a 'pocket coil' mattress, but I doubt know the specs on it.

This place is no organic mattress maker as the prices are pretty low. i.e. regular coil mattress with PU medium foam topper, foundation is a little over $700 w/ tax.  Not fancy stuff.  His web page says his latex is 100% natural stuff.   

That should be a Serta bed, Trump collection with all the marketing fluff.
 

Here's a theory - The mfrs know that good coil springs last.  They know that good memory foam lasts a long time as does latex.  They don't want mattresses to last too long.  So, they put in PU foam to make sure something breaks down prematurely.

Or, if they do have a big slab of memory foam or latex foam near the top - it is sitting on a slab of polyurethane foam (i.e. Serta iComfort, likely most tempurpedics).  Hmmm, I wonder how the PU bases hold up.

Ah well, at least there are natural mattress stores and such.

"great" is not the word I was thinking of.  It looks retarded to me!  I really like the lower profile of my new platform bed and Savvy Rest mattress.  I've had it a week and I'll be posting a review soon.  Perhaps you are supposed to think that you are getting a lot of mattress for your money?  The online reviews I found were all pretty negative.

Too tall. I'm not really understanding the towering height of these beds. I'm fairly tall for a woman - 5' 8", yet I had to climb up unto these massive beds when testing them at the store, and then kind of slide off. Anyone shorter would need a step stool or would have to take a flying leap from their doorway just to get on.

When did bed vendors become as shady as used car salesmen?  Why are there thousands of complaints about all the "S" beds (especially pillowtops) all over the net - all about the same things: Early and massive sagging on very expensive beds, and flimflam warrantys that seemingly cannot be enforced or can be voided on a whim? What the heck happened in the last 15 or so years? Why can't we get a good product that will last from companies that used to be reputable?

I guess this is why all these mattress topper companies came into being...?

Planned obsolescence is a very plausible theory. I mean once you got that thing in your house for a few months, with all the health laws and all, most people would understand not wanting to let folks return them and be resold. And then again, with those warranties that look good on paper but you can almost never enforce, well, I guess that gives some folks that little extra comfort level too, when they're about to shell out a couple of grand or more on a mattress. Most people probably never try to research and find out the facts, like the folks on this forum do.

Why is the industry riddled with such schemes? Probably because they can get away with it. No one can enforce getting their money back after the damage is done. More sales, more money, for the companies that make and sell them. Just plain old greed. Wrap up who knows what in a nice cover, give it some fancy names that sound really good and convincing, don't give the buyers the facts, give them a nice guarantee that puts their anxiety about spending so much money at rest, and then wait for them to come back in a year or so and buy another one. Just peachy. And if these 3 control the market, and they're all doing it, well, what real choice do most people have? Sure, there are options out there, but these are household names that have a lot of trust after all these years. And they used to make good beds that last, so I guess they're riding on their reputations.

I told the salesguy at the Natural Mattress Store I bought a S&F about 3 weeks ago.  He said they used to be better, but about 10 years ago the big companies really amped up their marketing and cheapened the inner materials a great deal.

I think about a water heater company,  Hoyt, that used to make great water heaters that lasted a very long time.  They have been out of business for a while.  So, I guess the game is to make the mattresses good enough so people won't think they're horrible, but build in something where they will be just good enough for 8 years.