Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Jul 24, 2010 9:27 AM
Joined: Jul 24, 2010
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Hi Everyone,

First of all, I appreciate this forum! Glad it's here. Been lurking a while.

Over a year ago we got a 100% lemon mattress from Sleepy's (OMG awful! sales manipulation! hypnotism! it was bad). A S&F Garden Grove. It was like a mushball--no support. I have SI joint/low back problems and they were made worse by sinking into the mattress. 

After a year of suffering, we ended up getting a queen 100% talalay latex mattress. The OMI Organicpedic Lago. Support at last! Low back comfort has been restored. The first week was totally comfy, but now we are starting to find that we want just a little bit more cushion on our shoulder and hip points (we are side/back sleepers). Like, the support is a great level, but those points need just a little bit more softness. We are both tall (5'8" and 6'2") and and slender/average weight, with bony shoulders and hips that jut out. 

So we're thinking about a latex topper to add that bit of cushion that we need. I feel confused about the density and height of the topper we should get, since we really don't need much adjustment. Anyone been in this boat?

Also, stupid newbie question: do you get an extra deep mattress pad to accommodate a topper, or does a standard one work okay? Or do you not put a mattress pad over your topper at all?

Thanks!

JB

Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #1 Jul 24, 2010 10:25 AM
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We bought a too firm mattress in March.  I could tolerate it, my husband could not.  He had a 2" memory foam pad on his side and it still wasn't good enough.  We then got a GeoMatt to fit the entire bed and it was fine.  Sometimes I felt like it trapped too much heat, but it didn't bother my husband.

We just got a new mattress yesterday though, the bed was just too firm.

I didn't have the mattress pad over the topper.  If we had stuck w/ the mattress, I might have invested in a deep pocket one. 

Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #2 Jul 24, 2010 11:38 AM
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If it is very close, you might only need 1" of a soft latex topper.  Something in the 14-24 ILD range.  If you want 100% natural talalalay, you might try rockymountainmattress.com (not returnable though) 24 ILD.  If you want softer, you probably need blended talalaly latex.  You can get 1" 14 or 19 ILD at sleeplikeabear.com. 

You could also try 1" of memory foam (like Sensus at overstock.com).  That is the cheapest option and actualy might provide better pressure relief than latex.  However, if you are a purest about organic or chemical free, that would be an issue.  Memory foam will have a bit more odor at first, and might sleep slightly hotter than latex.

I use 1" of Sensus over 1" of 24ILD 100% natural latex over 1" of 19 ILD blended latex over firmer latex and springs.

Better to get just 1" to fine tune it,  and you can always add another inch later. 

You should put the mattress pad over the topper.  If you only add 1", whatever you have will probably work.  Depends on how thick your mattress is and how deep the mattress pad will cover (most new ones cover a pretty thick mattress).

Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #3 Jul 24, 2010 2:21 PM
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Jodi and Sandman--thanks to you both! This is a really helpful start. I will report back.

Best wishes.

Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #4 Jul 24, 2010 2:36 PM
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sandman wrote:

I use 1" of Sensus over 1" of 24ILD 100% natural latex over 1" of 19 ILD blended latex over firmer latex and springs.


Sandman - just wondering what type of mattress (springs) you have, and if you recommend it as a base for making a soft mattress using toppers...

Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #6 Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM
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st3v3k4hn wrote:

 I use 1" of Sensus over 1" of 24ILD 100% natural latex over 1" of 19 ILD blended latex over firmer latex and springs.


Sandman - just wondering what type of mattress (springs) you have, and if you recommend it as a base for making a soft mattress using toppers...

 


I was going to mention foambymail.com as well, and forgot.  Their quality may be a little less regular than the Latex International products (which rockymountainmattress and sleeplikeabear sell - for talalay), but some people here have been happy.  They have a 20 ILD which is about the right firmness (if accurate).

I have Sealy Reserve springs with the 3" of foam listed above + 2" of 32 ILD 100% natural talalay latex + a 1.5" wool topper.  I did "surgery" to remove all of the Sealy foam and subsituted my own higher quality foam to get the firmness + comfort.  I actually went one step further and cut out part of the 32ILD layer at the shoulder level and put in a softer piece of latex there (about 19ILD).  That helps a bit for side sleeping and reducing shoulder pressure.

The Sealy springs themselves are pretty firm, so they provide a good base support level.

I am pretty happy with the way I have it.  This is the best configuation I have slept on.  I also have some flexibility to rearrange the layers to make it a bit softer or firmer.
 

Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #7 Jul 24, 2010 6:02 PM
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sandman wrote:

I have Sealy Reserve springs with the 3" of foam listed above + 2" of 32 ILD 100% natural talalay latex + a 1.5" wool topper.  I did "surgery" to remove all of the Sealy foam and subsituted my own higher quality foam to get the firmness + comfort.  I actually went one step further and cut out part of the 32ILD layer at the shoulder level and put in a softer piece of latex there (about 19ILD).  That helps a bit for side sleeping and reducing shoulder pressure. The Sealy springs themselves are pretty firm, so they provide a good base support level.


Did you buy a mattress to do surgery on or was this an older mattress? I've read about people doing this but I always wonder what it looks like, ie do you have a cover, is it all zipped up, etc. Any pictures?

Thanks...

Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #8 Jul 24, 2010 6:13 PM
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topperquest:  I have 2 1" 14 ILD toppers from sleeplikeabear.  I am 105 lb.  I found I sunk right through the 1" to the surface below but stacking the 2 toppers was much better for pressure relief.  I also suspect that 2 1" pieces stacked would be slightly softer than 1 2" piece.
Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #9 Jul 24, 2010 8:17 PM
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Thanks, DianeK. We are poised to purchase a 20 ILD 1" topper from foambymail. Hesitating a bit, considering the 2", but like it's been said here... we can always order another inch. It's not priced better or anything to get the 2". Then we will know if we like the 20 ILD without having invested in 2". I guess. Suppose we'll sleep on it.

Ha. 

Re: Almost there... firm mattress a tiny bit too firm... topper advice?
Reply #10 Jul 24, 2010 8:27 PM
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Right you are - you can always add another 1" of the same of different ILD going this route.  Good luck.

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