Buyer's remorse from an "S" brand! I need a replacement! Suggestions?!?!
Oct 20, 2009 1:22 AM
Joined: Sep 8, 2009
Points: 18
I recently bought a Stearns & Foster Estate Eureka Springs luxury firm full mattress from Mattress Discounters and I think I may have made a mistake.  Even though I came across this forum about a month ago, I still took a chance with an "S" brand.  My back was in pain from the hammocking of the old mattress and I bought it due to desperation.  For the first few days my back hurt but it gradually went away.  The mattress salesman said that my back may hurt for the first week or so because my back muscles were returning back to their normal state after being stretched out due to my previous mattress.  It has been 2 weeks now and my back pain has returned!  In fact, it hurt so much this morning I had to get up early since I couldn't take it anymore.  My girlfriend, whom I share the mattress with, says her back pain has disappeared and has no complaints.  Now I am asking myself the following questions:

-Should I just wait it out for a few more weeks to see if my back pain goes away?
-Is the size of the bed contributing to my back pain? (Should I go for a larger size?)---> It is a full size mattress.  I am 5'8", 150lbs.  My girlfriend is 5'4", 100lbs. 
-Is the setup of the bed to blame?--->The mattress rests on a murphy bed platform.
-Should I replace the foam inside?
-New bed?--->Latex, maybe?
-Topper?

The comfort guarantee allows me to exchange the bed within 60 days.  I prefer not to go that route since they will charge me for delivery and 10% of total costs and I could save that money toward other bed improvements.  I am thinking about mattress surgery to replace the foam inside for more premium stuff but I'm not sure how to do that and am concerned with closing it up.  I know a lot of people on this forum recommend latex beds, but that will have to be my second to last resort since it is not in my current budget due to the money already spent on the present mattress, but I may buy one down the road so I'm open to suggestions on that as well.  That's all the gripes/concerns I can currently think of so please provide any suggestions you can.  Thanks in advance!
Re: Buyer's remorse from an "S" brand! I need a replacement! Suggestions?!?!
Reply #18 Nov 19, 2009 6:56 PM
Joined: Sep 8, 2009
Points: 18
jimsocal wrote:
fubu, a single layer of 3&quot; latex MIGHT work. The problem with that is that if it doesn't work, you're screwed and now you own a 3&quot; latex piece - not cheap! - that you will not be able to utilize if it doesn't work.<BR><BR>Better to buy 3 x 1&quot; layers of various ILD's - say, an 18ILD, a 28ILD and a 32ILD - and then you have many various options for adjusting it to make it work. You can put the 18ILD on the bottom or the middle or the top, for instance, and the same with the other 3 pieces. I'm not a mathematician but I know that gives you quite a few different ways to make your bed.<BR><BR>Or even if you buy 2 x 28ILD or two 32ILD and one 18 ILD - that too gives you lots of options. Ideally, if money were not too tight, I'd say buy an 18, a 24, a 28 and a 32 of one inch thickness and use 3 of those to tweak your mattress. <BR><BR>Did you give your height and weight? If you will give them in your next post, I will try to GUESS what latex layers to buy (though maybe a foam guy where you buy the latex could guess better). But I'll give you my 2cents if you want it. Also, I really do NOT have that much experience with latex. My experience is that I owned a flobed with interchangeable layers for a couple months or so, and that I have layed on various latex mattresses when doing mattress buying, and I own two layers of 3/4&quot; latex that I use but I'm not even sure what ILD they are. So I'm not a latex expert, but I do have a good idea of ILD's in terms of HR foam, and I think it translates pretty well to latex. A latex person here may be able to give you a better idea than me, as to which layers to buy. But I am a big believer in layers, as layers give you more options.

I'm 5' 8", 150 lbs. Thanks for all the info so far! I have learned so much since I discovered this forum thanks to forum members such as yourself and others.
Re: Buyer's remorse from an "S" brand! I need a replacement! Suggestions?!?!
Reply #19 Nov 20, 2009 6:55 PM
Location: L.A. area
Joined: Jan 18, 2008
Points: 1161
Then - if I were to guess - I'd say that medium firm will be about right for you if you are a side sleeper.
So I'd probably go with an average of around 28ILD, so maybe one layer of 18ILD for a soft top (remember, these are just one inch layers), 28ILD for the middle and 32ILD for the bottom. If you can afford to buy one more, buy a a 24ild too. Not sure you'll even be able to find these ild's in 1" but use your judgment, get what you can. Like I say, maybe two x 28ild and one 18ild might work, or one 32ild and two 28ild. I'd guess you want to shoot for around 28ILD but maybe someone who knows more about latex can help you choose.

Maybe you should start a new thread: "What ILD's of latex should I buy?" Say that you want to buy 3 or 4 layers - whatever you have decided - or two or whatever - and ask opinions based on your height and weight. Because not everyone who can give you an opinion may be reading THIS thread... Oh, and I am assuming Talalay latex, not Dunlop. If Dunlop, you want to go a big lower on the ILD's. Or you could try a Dunlop base of 28-32 and then Talalay toppers of 28 and 18... Again, I could be wrong, these are my guesses. I hope someone with more latex expertise can help you.

And it wouldn't hurt at all to call someone like foambymail and tell them what you are doing - putting x number of 1" layers over springs - and ask for their expert recommendations. I've never dealt with FMB myself, but I think they - and others who sell latex - are pretty good at helping. Even if you aren't sure you're buying from them, you can ask their opinions. That gives them a chance to sell you on their service and products, so no harm if you don't buy from them.
This message was modified Nov 20, 2009 by jimsocal
Re: Buyer's remorse from an "S" brand! I need a replacement! Suggestions?!?!
Reply #20 Nov 21, 2009 3:25 PM
Joined: Sep 8, 2009
Points: 18
jimsocal wrote:
Then - if I were to guess - I'd say that medium firm will be about right for you if you are a side sleeper.
So I'd probably go with an average of around 28ILD, so maybe one layer of 18ILD for a soft top (remember, these are just one inch layers), 28ILD for the middle and 32ILD for the bottom. If you can afford to buy one more, buy a a 24ild too. Not sure you'll even be able to find these ild's in 1" but use your judgment, get what you can. Like I say, maybe two x 28ild and one 18ild might work, or one 32ild and two 28ild. I'd guess you want to shoot for around 28ILD but maybe someone who knows more about latex can help you choose.

Maybe you should start a new thread: "What ILD's of latex should I buy?" Say that you want to buy 3 or 4 layers - whatever you have decided - or two or whatever - and ask opinions based on your height and weight. Because not everyone who can give you an opinion may be reading THIS thread... Oh, and I am assuming Talalay latex, not Dunlop. If Dunlop, you want to go a big lower on the ILD's. Or you could try a Dunlop base of 28-32 and then Talalay toppers of 28 and 18... Again, I could be wrong, these are my guesses. I hope someone with more latex expertise can help you.

And it wouldn't hurt at all to call someone like foambymail and tell them what you are doing - putting x number of 1" layers over springs - and ask for their expert recommendations. I've never dealt with FMB myself, but I think they - and others who sell latex - are pretty good at helping. Even if you aren't sure you're buying from them, you can ask their opinions. That gives them a chance to sell you on their service and products, so no harm if you don't buy from them.


Thanks for the suggestions. I'll go start that new thread.
Re: Buyer's remorse from an "S" brand! I need a replacement! Suggestions?!?!
Reply #21 Nov 23, 2009 1:02 AM
Location: Yosemite area
Joined: Sep 10, 2008
Points: 249
I like what Jim says about the latex and layering.  Latex is a different puppy, you like it or might not like the feel.  Jim, didn't you do a layering with latex and memory foam on your springs?  The feels are different and could balance each other out, I think.  You might not even need 3" of latex, hard to say.
I would say that the bed has too soft of foam for your back presently, which will not get better with time.  If your girlfriend doesn't have a problem with her side, you could possibly just futz with yours(that's what I did).  Cheaper that way.
If you do need to cut foam try an electric knife.  Cheap investment.  Mark first and then go. 
Good luck!
Kait
Re: Buyer's remorse from an "S" brand! I need a replacement! Suggestions?!?!
Reply #22 Nov 24, 2009 5:08 PM
Location: L.A. area
Joined: Jan 18, 2008
Points: 1161
Kait is right, an electric carving knife  is great. I got one at Target for about $10.It cuts ALL kinds of foam very easily and efficiently. I even used it on a 6"  piece of Omalon and though it was slow it got through it okay!

I am using a 3/4" soft latex on top over a 1" layer of Venus (I actually recommend Sensus instead because it's cheaper but I made the mistake of buying my Sensus in a 2" layer and 2" is too thick for me, so I use the Venus.) Some day I'd like to try a layer of Dunlop to replace the HR and a couple different ILD's of latex to replace the Venus maybe, but right now the above is working pretty well.