Mattress Forum

What is in it matters a lot though. The materials that make it so "special" are not unique to this mattress and are widely available at a far lower cost than paying for the name. In addition to that the poly in this bed is  inexpensive (read cheap) material and the qualities that make it comfortable do not last. Even a $300 poly mattress feels good if it's the right construction ... for a while. The Dr Breus is a poor value.

Unfortunately, you have been "victimized" by marketing hype and a "name" that is being used to convince people to buy something that should be priced about half of what it is ... and I can assure you the "facts are straight" in this thread.

You sound so overzealous and misinformed I have to ask ... do you work for Dr Breus or Sleepy's?

But hey ... I'm glad you like your new mattress :)

Phoenix

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There is a lot of great information on this forum about "soy based" poly foam and what they are and where they come from, including in some recent threads. The word that is most commonly used to describe how they are being marketed is "greenwashing". It is nothing more than regular poly with usually less than 20% soy based polyols that are being incorrectly promoted (by many manufacturers not just Dr Breus or more correctly IBC who manufactures the mattress) as being green. It is just another version of poly. It's a step in "kind of" "sort of" the right direction but soy based products themselves have other issues which are far from green. The reason for the "plant based"  polyols in the first place is because of the well known issues surrounding polyfoams themselves (lots of information here about that as well).

This forum primarily exists to educate and perhaps give some counterbalance to the claims and practices of many manufacturers and outlets. The mattress industry as a whole and as it has evolved is filled with the kind of misinformation and deceptive practices that make buying a quality mattress more and more difficult. It seems that you too have "come to believe" that some of these claims are true. These are exactly the kind of claims that when believed would prevent a consumer from looking elsewhere and finding a much higher quality mattress at a better price. Adding "names" to a manufacturer's line is another way used to deceive consumers. Being an expert in sleep clearly does not translate into being an expert on mattress construction any more than being an expert in business like "Donald Trump" makes him qualified to build anything more than a more expensive mattress that is filled with materials that will not keep their "temporarily comfortable" properties. I would much rather judge a matttress by what is actually in it and what is known about those materials than by what someone wants me to believe is in it.

This forum is filled with stories of people who made buying decisions based on hype and misinformation and unfortunately ... it cost them a lot of money ... and even worse in some cases their back or their health.

If you search for "polyol" and "celsion" and "outlast" and other things you will see how much information is on this forum (and on the legacy forum before it) ... and that the "phase change" properties of his mattress are a side effect of materials that are commonly available to anyone including those here who choose to construct their own mattress. They would not even normally be necessary in a Talalay latex mattress as they were made primarily to offset the heat issues of many memory foams. There is nothing mysterious about them that is anything like a "great sauce".

You are still misinformed but to your credit you have challenged what someone else said which is a good thing ... and the same thing the members of this forum quickly learn to do with most of the claims made by mattress manufacturers and typical sales outlets. If you do a little more homework ... including checking out the "truth" and the context of the information in this thread and how you challenged it ... you will see why I replied as I did.

Phoenix

I should also add that there are many others who will read this thread long after it dies and that what it says and the accuracy of the information in it may affect their buying decision as well.

When you come to a forum like this and post "We just bought our signature at Sleepy's.  Unfortunately, all of you are looking at this the wrong way." in your very first post, I think it's only reasonable to expect that your opinions will be questioned and challenged.

Is there anything else I haven't answered for you?

Phoenix

PS: In your first post you mentioned you had just bought your mattress at Sleepy's which has descriptions of the mattress on their site. In your last post you say "I bought my bed in Tampa at famous tate's where I have shopped for many years" and they don't have a description of the Dr Breus on their site (although they do have the brand listed in their brands). Sleepy's also doesn't have an outlet in Florida listed on their site. Is Famous Tate's the same as Sleepy's? Where did you actually buy your mattress?

Maybe you don't want a "Porsche" or "BMW" mattress. Maybe an Olds or Chevy one is exactly what you want. If that's the case, you should buy a damned good Olds or Chevy at an Olds/Chevy price, not an overpriced muffin made from the same materials as mattresses half its price. Do the kind of research and lay-on testing Phoenix has detailed in his many posts, and then drive the hardest bargain you can for the mattress that meets your preferences and has appropriate quality inside it.

You do understand that Dr. Breus has next to nothing to do with the mattresses' design or manufacture, but is just a figurehead being used to sell an overpriced, underbuilt line of products? It's done all the time in every product field, and 99 times out of 100, the big name puffing the product is just a hired shill who was approached by a manufacturer/marketer, not the other way around.

As to Flobeds, I believe they offer a very high quality product that would in every way be superior to Dr Breus ... but having said that I believe that they too for most circumstances are overpriced compared to other options. I'll probably get some argument about that ... and so it should be ... but it is what I believe. I do appreciate them for sponsoring this forum (it is independently owned) and for being a leader (among many others) in a new direction of mattress manufacturing but they could do better in their price/value offerings IMO. If you take a look at the many threads in which I have given people multiple options that my research has uncovered, you will notice that most of them are smaller local manufacturers that specifically offer something that in my opinion meets the needs of the person in the thread or other "do it yourself" options that I believe have something valuable and/or unique to offer. You will also notice that I have never narrowed down their choice to a specific manufacturer as I believe the final choice is up to the individual. I have talked with literally dozens of manufacturers in my own search about their mattresses, their prices, and why and how they build them. Most of them were amazingly open in sharing information with me. What is suitable to one is not to another as they each offer a different combination of risk, benefits, and value. For example I have not often even mentioned the place I bought my mattress in most of the threads I have posted because buying a manufactured mattress sight unseen as I did without the reasonable possibility of return or a layer exchange as offered by flobeds, sleepez (and many others I have linked to in my posts) would represent too great a risk. There are probably about 100 manufacturers and outlets that I believe offer amazing value but that value and the benefits that go with it are part of personal choice. What they offer and how it benefits each person is part of what each person needs to research for themselves. I am happy that I have been able to uncover many sources that have rarely if ever been mentioned in this forum in it's 10 year history and without that research and the choices they represent there are people on this forum that would not even know some of the choices they had.

My own search for a matttress that would suit my other half (and me of course) led to the beginning of this research. I was amazed at what I uncovered and the research sort of took on a life of it's own. I tend to be a researcher by nature (and profession) anyway and more about this is in some of my earlier threads. I actually enjoy doing this and for the moment I have the time and interest to do it ... even though my mattress search is over. There have been many others who have continued here after their mattress search has ended and contributed hundreds of posts with amazing information long after they "needed to". Sadly many of these are no longer here but there are always new ones to take up where they left off. For the moment and for as long as I enjoy it and am able to I am one of these "new ones". Part of this is just from gratitude from how much I learned here. There are many here who have been around a lot longer than I have and many who are part of the industry which gives them a unique perspective and I really applaud them for taking the time to keep posting.

I could probably say a lot more but if anything I tend to go on too long anyway so I'll leave it at that.

And yes I really do believe that there are at least 100 places or options where you could do better than the Dr Breus mattress ... although not all of them may be suitable for what you are looking for.

Phoenix

PS: I'm sill not sure what in your previous posts I haven't answered. If you could ask it again I would appreciate it.