Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Sep 3, 2009 5:03 PM
Joined: Nov 4, 2008
Points: 223
Well, i *thought* i'd 'beat the system' and gotten a great set up for less money, but i'm not sure it's agreeing with me.

Last night i put this configuration together:

LUX-HQ (3")
HD36-HQ (3")
HD36 eggcrate (1 1/2 ")
Sensus MF (1")-----Newly added!
supersoft eggcrate (1 1/2 ")
FBM soft latex (1")----Newly added!
CuddleBed------Newly added!

Well, it certainly felt nice and soft and 'cushy' after adding the new layers. I thought i had gotten it right! But, alas, i woke in the middle of the night HOT, and feeling like i was SINKING too much. Argggh! I then put my spring mattress on top of it, and slept more comfortably. So, either it's too hard (before), or it's too soft (after).

Today, i removed the memory foam and LUX-HQ...I'm pretty sure i don't have enough base, now (only 4 1/2 inches of HD36 foam (including eggcrate), with 1" latex, 1 1/2 supersoft foam, and CuddleBed on top), but i thought i'd remove some firmness so i wouldn't need the memory foam. I don't know. My innerspring mattress is still hovering, ready to be placed on top of it again tonight. *sigh*! I think there is something to the idea of the *whole* mattress moving when a part of your body moves, on an innerspring. For example, on a foam mattress your back might dip a bit , but it's isolated, and thus puts more strain on it. On a spring, the rest of your body moves slightly with it, alleviating strain. I may be totally making this up, though...;)

I really do like innerspring mattresses, but they're just not good with motion transfer. And i do like the feel of the latex...Would love to feel 6" of it, but reluctant to spend the $ in case i have to return it (shipping and 25% restocking charge is harsh!). Maybe the LUX base with HD36-HQ (6" total) plus 4 or 5" of latex from FBM would do it? Wish they had free returns. I just can't afford an expensive latex mattress right now.

Also thinking about Otis Beds, quality mattresses with 2.0 and 2.5 density foams, which are supposed to hold up very well, maybe have some cushion and don't sleep hot?

I know i'm rambling, and Sager would probably have a field day with my 'post-analysis', but...as Jimsocal knows, sometimes there's a lot of trial and error here. If anyone sees a good solution amidst all this, please let me know! Thanks for all the knowledge and helpfulness here in the forum, and for putting up with my craziness!!
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #2 Sep 3, 2009 6:09 PM
Joined: Nov 4, 2008
Points: 223
OCD--absolutely! ;)

Are you being serious about that configuration, or are you trying to make me loonier than ever?
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #3 Sep 3, 2009 9:51 PM
Location: Mequon, WI
Joined: Aug 30, 2007
Points: 363
Try to change one layer at a time, instead of changing multiple layers at a time.  That way you will better know what is working and what isn't working for you.
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #4 Sep 3, 2009 9:52 PM
Joined: Aug 31, 2009
Points: 29
Your post makes me worry that this whole adventure is going to turn my life into a reinactment of the princess and the pea. I'm still hoping for a goldilocks ending, though. Good luck!
This message was modified Sep 3, 2009 by wifecat
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #5 Sep 3, 2009 10:01 PM
Joined: Nov 4, 2008
Points: 223
Jim--you're right. I'm not sure what i was thinking, except that i was very frustrated! It feels better to me right now (i.e. haven't had the glory of sleeping on it yet), but we'll see. I may put a thin slab of the LUX under my hips area...to add some support...!

And wifecat--i'm sure your DIY will turn out great. You know you like latex, and people have been very pleased with their product. No heat issues that i know of, and it's a fairly consistent surface--not a ton of different layers. Let us know how it goes!
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #6 Sep 3, 2009 10:55 PM
Joined: Aug 16, 2008
Points: 16
But, alas, i woke in the middle of the night HOT,

Why do you assume that is the fault of the mattress, and not other factors?  I wake up hot often, regardless of sleeping surface.
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #7 Sep 3, 2009 11:00 PM
Joined: Nov 4, 2008
Points: 223
Yes, waking up perspiring has happened to me before, but it hadn't in a long while, and i could actually feel the heat emanating from the mattress! Just felt like a different 'hot' than i've felt before.
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #8 Sep 4, 2009 4:05 PM
Location: Oregon
Joined: Oct 25, 2008
Points: 130
electracat wrote:
Well, i *thought* i'd 'beat the system' and gotten a great set up for less money, but i'm not sure it's agreeing with me.

Last night i put this configuration together:

LUX-HQ (3")
HD36-HQ (3")
HD36 eggcrate (1 1/2 ")
Sensus MF (1")-----Newly added!
supersoft eggcrate (1 1/2 ")
FBM soft latex (1")----Newly added!
CuddleBed------Newly added!

Well, it certainly felt nice and soft and 'cushy' after adding the new layers. I thought i had gotten it right! But, alas, i woke in the middle of the night HOT, and feeling like i was SINKING too much. Argggh! I then put my spring mattress on top of it, and slept more comfortably. So, either it's too hard (before), or it's too soft (after).

Today, i removed the memory foam and LUX-HQ...I'm pretty sure i don't have enough base, now (only 4 1/2 inches of HD36 foam (including eggcrate), with 1" latex, 1 1/2 supersoft foam, and CuddleBed on top), but i thought i'd remove some firmness so i wouldn't need the memory foam. I don't know. My innerspring mattress is still hovering, ready to be placed on top of it again tonight. *sigh*! I think there is something to the idea of the *whole* mattress moving when a part of your body moves, on an innerspring. For example, on a foam mattress your back might dip a bit , but it's isolated, and thus puts more strain on it. On a spring, the rest of your body moves slightly with it, alleviating strain. I may be totally making this up, though...;)

I really do like innerspring mattresses, but they're just not good with motion transfer. And i do like the feel of the latex...Would love to feel 6" of it, but reluctant to spend the $ in case i have to return it (shipping and 25% restocking charge is harsh!). Maybe the LUX base with HD36-HQ (6" total) plus 4 or 5" of latex from FBM would do it? Wish they had free returns. I just can't afford an expensive latex mattress right now.

Also thinking about Otis Beds, quality mattresses with 2.0 and 2.5 density foams, which are supposed to hold up very well, maybe have some cushion and don't sleep hot?

I know i'm rambling, and Sager would probably have a field day with my 'post-analysis', but...as Jimsocal knows, sometimes there's a lot of trial and error here. If anyone sees a good solution amidst all this, please let me know! Thanks for all the knowledge and helpfulness here in the forum, and for putting up with my craziness!!


My recommendation - try this:

LUX-HQ (3")
HD36-HQ (3")
FBM soft latex (1")
CuddleBed

All that eggcrate sounds like a problem to me.

Add the MF under the latex layer if you need more softness, or better yet another inch of latex.

My 2 cents.

Bill

Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #9 Sep 4, 2009 5:14 PM
Location: L.A. area
Joined: Jan 18, 2008
Points: 1161
Ecat, I would have looked at your configuration - your original one, per this post - and said, "hmm, looks like too much soft foam on top to me". Not that I'm right, but that woudl have been my best guess.

I think your basic 6" core is fine, you just need to find the right 2-3" on top. (That is IF it isn't that, like some of us have found, what you really need is Springs under 3" or so of foam...)

I like the idea of just the latex on top, then MAYBE just a very thin layer of soft foam on top or under that.

As for hotness, have you thought of trying the wool topper idea? Although the cuddle bed makes the mattress look nice, I am not entirely sure but that maybe it doesn't add some hotness and add more unnecessary softness. At times I have taken mine off and felt it was better for it (though Now I've at least temporarily added it back). Here where I live it's BEEN hot but I don't really feel that the foam makes it that much hotter. I could be wrong. I love having my wool topper on top instead of the cuddle bed but it's a king and I need to find someone who can cut it in half and sew the 2 halves for me, for twin mattresses.
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #10 Sep 4, 2009 9:47 PM
Joined: Sep 2, 2009
Points: 26
Hey ecat, let me know if you can solve the heat issue.  I'm most likely going with a similar setup, LUX core (6") but I'm only going Talalay latex on top.  I'm wondering if you need more latex on top which would help heat, memory foam is definitely hotter because Tal latex has the holes going through (airs better).  However, you said you're trying to keep costs down so not sure if you can afford more Talalay from FBM... or you can just wait and see how mine turns out. ;-)
Re: Having trouble with DIY mattress. *sigh*
Reply #11 Sep 5, 2009 12:19 AM
Joined: Nov 4, 2008
Points: 223
hi all,
thanks for your kind help. Bill, do you think the eggcrate is a problem due to its softness?

Yes, maybe i should try the 6" again (i have 3" base right now, with the eggcrate layers), and see how the MF and latex are on top. Wish it weren't such a pain to move around the layers. ;) I felt like maybe removing the bottom 3" of LUX gave the configuration a little needed 'give', but i'm not sure that removing the LUX is what did that...Maybe it was adding the latex and cuddlebed...hmmm

Jim, i think you said in an earlier post that latex can be very hot, too. Why is it touted as the 'cooler' foam? I guess advertising...

Thanks again, and i'll keep you updated on my (ever-changing) situation!