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Ok, I bit the bullet and ordered the SleepEZ 10000 and returned the Costco Comfortluxe. I am a bit nervous about ordering a mattress without having tried it! :) However, what I really liked was Shawn even suggested I spend LESS and buy the 8500 model because "you just don't use more than 5.6/6" of foam." He said that until the mid-80s all the latex mattresses were just 6", but since then people think more is better. I ended up choosing the 10000 because of bed sheet fiting, Shawn said that sheets can be a bit of a pain to get for the thinner mattresses nowadays (Sheets are made for huge beds now) So despite my nervousness on buying something sight unseen, I just keep telling myself all the wonderful reviews I have read here about the service level with Sleepez means it should be ok! :) (i hope :) ). This message was modified Dec 15, 2007 by novahelp
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novahelp wrote: I like the feel of foam. Also, as you said, the soft ILD is now 22-24 instead of 20 so I do not find it too soft in the soft-medium-xfirm combination. As for the case, the problems I had with the included case were as follows: 1) OUCH! every time I used it killed my hip! 2) I couldn't even tell it was foam I was sleeping on. The cover, for me, completely inhibited the conforming properties of latex and I felt like i was sleeping on a cheap mattress (apologies to anyone who likes the included cover). I bought foam because I like to feel the foam. I will try the Medium-Medium-Xfirm tonight as a last adjustment to see if that makes it better. Hmm, though I wonder if I should try SOFT-FIRM-X-Firm? I assume the soft won't separate me enough from the firm layer though... However, not sure why people are against sleeping close to the foam. Memory foam mattresses don't pad themselves with thick wool covers...(i do understand they need the body heat to contour) Some people do like sleeping right on the latex. And that's fine if you find it most comfortable,but you should keep the latex covered with something like a stretch terry mattress pad. Latex is biodegradable if exposed to UV light and will decay in a few years rather than the 20 or so you can expect if you keep it in the dark.
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1) Thanks. Sean said that the degrade aspects wont kick in for a year or so really, while I do my trial he said it will be fine. In long run you are correct, I need to get a case just for convenience and protecting my investment. 2)I tried Medium Medium X-firm And I couldn't use it for more than a few minutes. Here is the weird thing, I felt like I kind of SUNK through at the hips while the rest of my body stayed up, just felt weird. Imaging you are laying on a sheet of ice, and someone carved a hole to fish through. That's kind of how I felt, though of course it was NOT as hard as ice. 3) I tried Soft Firm Xfirm Found the soft couldn't cushion me from the harder layers enough. 4) GOOD NEWS. I did some more testing by placing some memory foam on the harder side of the bed (medium-firm-xfirm). Good news. I really prefer latex over memory foam. I just cant stand the memory foam marshmallow feeling and the heat build up. So, at least I know latex IS the material I prefer! 5) The bed is really close with the soft-medium-xfirm. I am getting some side soreness because while the firmness is enough, I just need more material or something (though the soreness could be just a result of the other nights of sleep where I got a little bit sore or exercise). I tried moving the layers so it is medium-soft-xfirm, and I couldn't really feel a difference except it kinda felt like the feeling I got from the medium-medium-xfirm (see point 2 above). I also tried soft-medium-firm-x-frim again and I don't like how jiggly and rubber feeling that number of layers feels. I guess a case might make it feel different? 6) Next steps I am going to try the combo I liked best in the orginal mattress case today. Maybe the hammocking won't be so bad now? This message was modified Feb 17, 2008 by novahelp
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Soft medium -xfirm on one side, soft-firm-xfirm on the other side inside the mattress case. The case makes the bed feel "frumpy" and like an old hand-me-down. You sort of plop into it, no spring or push back. Amazing how different the case makes the latex feel! Laying on either side within about 2-3 minutes i feel a pain on my hip bone. It does sort of contour, but the contours are just big indentations that pool into one big sack. And, interestingly, when I un-zipper the top (as someone suggested), it gets much more conforming and comfortable though still not as nice as just having a sheet over the latex. This message was modified Feb 17, 2008 by novahelp
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I was the one who suggested unzipping the mattress cover. It gives you more slack and allows the foam to conform to your body without the trampoline effect of the cover interfering. Here's another combination you can try: Medum / soft/ x-firm. I found this configuration to be the most comfortable. The medium on the top will feel much softer with the soft layer beneath it than it will with another medium underneath. Sounds like you've just experienced one of the negative characteristics of Talalay latex--that old sinking feeling. Your ice analogy was perfect. That's exactly it. Your hips go down and your shoulders stay up. I found this produced a horrible amount of upper back fatigue. The only work-around for that was an extremely firm configuration that made me sore all over, so I was never able to make the mattress comfortable for me, but it sounds like you're getting there. |
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cloud9 wrote: I was the one who suggested unzipping the mattress cover. It gives you more slack and allows the foam to conform to your body without the trampoline effect of the cover interfering. Here's another combination you can try: Medum / soft/ x-firm. I found this configuration to be the most comfortable. The medium on the top will feel much softer with the soft layer beneath it than it will with another medium underneath. Sounds like you've just experienced one of the negative characteristics of Talalay latex--that old sinking feeling. Your ice analogy was perfect. That's exactly it. Your hips go down and your shoulders stay up. I found this produced a horrible amount of upper back fatigue. The only work-around for that was an extremely firm configuration that made me sore all over, so I was never able to make the mattress comfortable for me, but it sounds like you're getting there. What's frustrating is that I am so close! I just find that at my hip bone the foam compresses a touch too much and it gets hard there (or compresses enough that I can feel the floor at that spot). Otherwise, the foam is PERFECT. Grrrrr I can't take it anymore! :) I tried lots of combos for the foam, and the end result, the wool cover is just not comfortable for me. It hurts my butt when I lay on my back, and hurts my hip when I lay on my side. This message was modified Feb 18, 2008 by novahelp
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Novahelp, Sounds like you are "just about there" with your matress adjustments. It can be rather hetic with all the mattress latex combinations trying to get that middle ground between comfort & support but it will all be worth it in the end. Also- I PMed you about your mattress cover too. Jeff |
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JCturboT wrote: Novahelp, Sounds like you are "just about there" with your matress adjustments. It can be rather hetic with all the mattress latex combinations trying to get that middle ground between comfort & support but it will all be worth it in the end. Also- I PMed you about your mattress cover too. Jeff Actually, it is not working out. I am going to be returning the whole thing. After trying now both latex and memory foam I think the problem I am having with the latex bed kit (which was also the same problem I had with a Costco memory foam bed I tried), that when I make the bed soft enough for me, my hips compress the softer foam layers so much that the foam essentially becomes hard at my hips. Therefore, I need to use the firmer layers (i.e. medium-firm-xfirm) so the foam is strong enough to hold me without compressing; the problem is that then this combination is too firm for me. That is what I have learned about foam. It is not a very flexible bed material. You have to get pretty much EXACTLY the foam density and ILD for your body, or it just won't work. Spring mattresses IMHO while not as potentially comfortable, have greater ranges where people can find them comfortable. Just my $0.02 after about 4 months of non-stop mattress foam building research and trying. :( This message was modified Feb 20, 2008 by novahelp
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Novahelp, Sorry to hear that- Did you talk to Shawn @ SleepEZ for the cost of a return charge? Jeff |
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JCturboT wrote: Novahelp, Sorry to hear that- Did you talk to Shawn @ SleepEZ for the cost of a return charge? Jeff Nope not yet. It should be a 15% restocking fee + shipping back. This experiment is going to be a $400 mistake. |
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That is why I went with FloBeds.com knowing that if I decided Latex was not for me it would not cost me anything but shipping the bed back with no restocking fee. I also knew I could watch the website and email Dave when the price went down. I got a few mark downs making my bed no more than if I bought it ast SleepEZ but with the peace of mind in knowing I could get a full refund if I needed to send it back. I do like having a latex bed despite the work in getting it right since I wake up with no allergies and I sleep better. But I am sorry Novahelp that your SleepEZ Latex bed did not work out for you. But I really think if you had a more comforming zipped up cover like my bed came with and a topper that was soft and not more than 2" over a firm foundation, you would like your latex bed. I could not sleep on Latex without my 1" soft topper since I like the other layers under me very firm and I like a tiny bit of cushion. I also love my zippped up mattress cover that has a little give in it. This message was modified Feb 20, 2008 by Lynn2006
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