Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Jun 20, 2009 3:21 PM
Joined: Jun 16, 2009
Points: 29
Let's take three different scenarios. I'm using Art Van Furniture store policy as an example. No returns; $119 exchange fee; $80 delivery fee; only one exchange allowed so you better make the right decision.

(1) You bought a bed that gives you back pain and you can't return or exchange it.

(2) You bought a bed that gives you back pain and you can't return it, and the cost of the exchange (at least $400, see below) is prohibitive. (It only cost me $85 to DIY surgery.)

(3) You bought a bed that gives you back pain and you can't return it, and you can exchange it. But the best you could get is a bed which you aren't sure about. Total cost is: $120 for exchange fee, $80 for delivery, and at least $200 for the upgrade = At least $400 more than you already spent. You can barely afford it, it will hurt your pocket book, but again, its a gamble because you don't know if what you are getting will solve the problem.

My answer is. (1) Perform the mattress surgery because you are stuck with an otherwise useless bed anyway. (2) Perform the mattress surgery because you are stuck with an otherwise useless bed anyway.  (3) Here you have to weigh the risks. If you pay $400 or more and still have back pain then you are thrown into category (1) and might now have to pay more to buy replacement foam. It's possible all you need to do is take some out. But until you take the top off and try it you don't know.

Am I not considering something?

Matt
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #1 Jun 20, 2009 8:54 PM
Location: Oregon
Joined: Oct 25, 2008
Points: 130
I can't see what you're not considering. I say go for it. It's yours and if you can make it work for you by doing mattress surgery, DO IT!
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #2 Jun 20, 2009 10:12 PM
Joined: Jun 16, 2009
Points: 29
I've already done it. Thanks though, because it turned out to be good advise. (Did you mean "you" as me, or "you" in general?) Anyway, I was trying to draw Marshall in, who said it's a bad idea in the thread:   Innerspring Mattress with Latex Top?   Perhaps he didn't realize the horrible return/exchange policies (and actualities) we can run into over on this side of the pond. Or, maybe he does know something we don't. I'll be the first to admit I can overlook even the obvious.

Matt
This message was modified Jun 21, 2009 by MattFaunce
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #3 Jun 21, 2009 4:11 AM
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland.
Joined: Jun 17, 2009
Points: 21
MattFaunce wrote:
I've already done it. Thanks though, because it turned out to be good advise. (Did you mean &quot;you&quot; as me, or &quot;you&quot; in general?) Anyway, I was trying to draw Marshall in, who said it's a bad idea in the thread:   <span class="size14"></span>Innerspring Mattress with Latex Top?   Perhaps he didn't realize the horrible return/exchange policies (and actualities) we can run into over on this side of the pond. Or, maybe he does know something we don't. I'll be the first to admit I can overlook even the obvious.<BR><BR>Matt

draw me in? dont worry i am here.....

ok where to begin, lets start with why this site seems to be here, people are looking for a new mattress, they have become confused, they need help and are tired of listening to a salesman who is money hungry and wants there cash rather than giving them a good nights sleep. WHY would i agree and tell these people that butchering your mattress is a good idea? the site is here to be a discussion of what is good and bad in mattresses, do we agree on that? so we should be helping them choose a good system not encouraging them to basterdise the matt they have!

most important thing, if you change the foam interior of your mattress it will be unsafe..... now ill let that sink in for a moment. you endanger yourself, your family and your home. sound fun? the covering of foam based beds will be coated or woven with a material (or spray) that will prevent the foam going on fire when in contact with a heat source, this cover will be suited to the type of memory foam used and will be (partially) ineffective on other types. could be a cigerette could be a plug behind your bed overheating anything really, and belive me, burning foam is not something you want to be in contact with. but dont worry you wont feel a thing, the smoke would kill you before you wake up.

from reading this site i think you have a pretty good return policy with your bed companys ..... other than Tempur NO uk bed company will take a mattress back once its been slept on. and why would they? would you want to buy a bed that someone else had slept on? also the fact its totally not hygenic, so ask yourself why a manufacture would accept a cancelation on an order, and loose all the money on materials, man hours, admin staff, and transport ect, when they have done nothing wrong? they offered a bed, you said 'yes ill have it sir' they make and transport the bed, you want all your money back? no chance.

now i know im going on a bit, and sorry for the long posts. all this information (inculding the bits below in my sig) is widly known in the bed industry but not really belived by the genral public :(. and i say it not out of an idea to cause friction but because ive seen it with my own eyes ive been there while we run test after test in universitys and labs, i have been involved in making, designing, branding, and the selling of them not only to the public but to the stores that you go to. my name is marshall and im a bedaholic.

now, im expecting a few heated replys from this - so, what have you got?
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #4 Jun 21, 2009 10:06 AM
Joined: Jun 16, 2009
Points: 29
My cover has Visil woven in. Yes, this is a fire retardant material. About the retardant being suited to the foam, especially about the partial ineffectiveness of the retardant when covering other types of foam, could you provide a reference article, preferably an internet link? Whatever you have.

Matt
This message was modified Jun 21, 2009 by MattFaunce
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #5 Jun 21, 2009 11:01 AM
Location: Oregon
Joined: Oct 25, 2008
Points: 130
Marshall wrote:
draw me in? dont worry i am here.....

ok where to begin, lets start with why this site seems to be here, people are looking for a new mattress, they have become confused, they need help and are tired of listening to a salesman who is money hungry and wants there cash rather than giving them a good nights sleep. WHY would i agree and tell these people that butchering your mattress is a good idea? the site is here to be a discussion of what is good and bad in mattresses, do we agree on that? so we should be helping them choose a good system not encouraging them to basterdise the matt they have!

most important thing, if you change the foam interior of your mattress it will be unsafe..... now ill let that sink in for a moment. you endanger yourself, your family and your home. sound fun? the covering of foam based beds will be coated or woven with a material (or spray) that will prevent the foam going on fire when in contact with a heat source, this cover will be suited to the type of memory foam used and will be (partially) ineffective on other types. could be a cigerette could be a plug behind your bed overheating anything really, and belive me, burning foam is not something you want to be in contact with. but dont worry you wont feel a thing, the smoke would kill you before you wake up.

from reading this site i think you have a pretty good return policy with your bed companys ..... other than Tempur NO uk bed company will take a mattress back once its been slept on. and why would they? would you want to buy a bed that someone else had slept on? also the fact its totally not hygenic, so ask yourself why a manufacture would accept a cancelation on an order, and loose all the money on materials, man hours, admin staff, and transport ect, when they have done nothing wrong? they offered a bed, you said 'yes ill have it sir' they make and transport the bed, you want all your money back? no chance.

now i know im going on a bit, and sorry for the long posts. all this information (inculding the bits below in my sig) is widly known in the bed industry but not really belived by the genral public :(. and i say it not out of an idea to cause friction but because ive seen it with my own eyes ive been there while we run test after test in universitys and labs, i have been involved in making, designing, branding, and the selling of them not only to the public but to the stores that you go to. my name is marshall and im a bedaholic.

now, im expecting a few heated replys from this - so, what have you got?


You're certainly welcome here if you want to add to the collective knowledge on this board. You seem to have some knowledge that might help. But you know, we've had several people like you come on here in the last few months and tell us we were all wrong and that they somehow had all the wisdom of the universe concerning mattresses bottled up in their being and darn it, they were going to straighten us out - right now!

You seem to be looking for a fight. "now, im expecting a few heated replys from this - so, what have you got?"  And look at your signature.... I know one thing for sure, there are no absolute truths in the mattress world, yet somehow you claim to have found them. I would advise you to calm down and 'hear' what these folks are saying concerning their mattresses.  Try to be helpful.  Condescending tones are not usually received well.  Try to be respectful.  It's usually the best way to reach people. Good luck.

Bill

Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #6 Jun 21, 2009 5:33 PM
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland.
Joined: Jun 17, 2009
Points: 21
MattFaunce wrote:
My cover has Visil woven in. Yes, this is a fire retardant material. About the retardant being suited to the foam, especially about the partial ineffectiveness of the retardant when covering other types of foam, could you provide a reference article, preferably an internet link? Whatever you have.<BR><BR>Matt<br type="_moz"/>

i dont know the type Visil (there are a lot) but im sure it will be rated for the type of foam you have.

ive had a quick search online for an article for you but will have to find you something from work. its based on the fact all hydrocarbons ignite at a diffrent level and they need to be rated to diff temps etc. ill see if i have and non branded info on this, you'll appreaciate that i cant go giving out any branded info that would be pecticular to the make up of there beds, but ill let you see whatever generic stuff i can get my hands on.
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #7 Jun 21, 2009 6:18 PM
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland.
Joined: Jun 17, 2009
Points: 21
<BR> BillB wrote:
You're certainly welcome here if you want to add to the collective knowledge on this board. You seem to have some knowledge that might help. But you know, we've had several people like you come on here in the last few months and tell us we were all wrong and that they somehow had all the wisdom of the universe concerning mattresses bottled up in their being and darn it, they were going to straighten us out - right now!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You seem to be looking for a fight. &amp;quot;now, im expecting a few heated replys from this - so, what have you got?&amp;quot;  And look at your signature.... I know one thing for sure, there are no absolute truths in the mattress world, yet somehow you claim to have found them. I would advise you to calm down and 'hear' what these folks are saying concerning their mattresses.  Try to be helpful.  Condescending tones are not usually received well.  Try to be respectful.  It's usually the best way to reach people. Good luck.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bill<BR>
<BR>Hi Bill <BR><BR>thanks for the welcome, and i would like to add the board and add to your info. im sorry if you have had bad experances with previous people who didnt fit in well and belive me that is not my aim.<BR><BR>im no in any way looking for a fight, i looked and joined a forum as i wanted to share info and learn more where i could, i read this thread when it was first posted up and given it was quite obviously aimed at me after what i posted in another thread i decided not to reply to it. after his second post where he said <BR>
MattFaunce wrote:
Anyway, I was trying to draw Marshall in<BR>
yea i got a bit pissed off and decided it needed a reply, maybe i was condescending but i dont see how i was disrepectful ... if it seems that way i apoligise to you and the original poster.<BR><BR>as you say above (a bit melodramaticly) there are no absolute truths in beds. but there are a hell of a lot of mistruths, worse than that, they are spread and repeated and propegated. it really is a shame.<BR><BR><BR> BillB wrote:
Try to be helpful. Condescending tones are not usually received well. Try to be respectful. It's usually the best way to reach people. Good luck.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bill<BR>
<BR><BR>i will try to keep the advice in mind. but i will not be changing my sig (it goes with the 'advice that never changes' thing) and i will always post if i think a subject is being misrepresented and that could challange what others belive and that may lead back to this again. you may think that i am being condesending and disrepectfull and rude, but i think its just because i dont agree with you.<BR><BR>i think this thread has little chance to return to anything to do with mattresses and its not very flattering for the site for any new members looking through. so ill leave it at that.<BR><BR>till next time Bill<BR><BR>Marshall<BR><BR>
This message was modified Jun 21, 2009 by Marshall
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #8 Jun 22, 2009 11:21 PM
Joined: May 22, 2009
Points: 64
Marshall wrote:
you may think that i am being condesending and disrepectfull and rude, but i think its just because i dont agree with you.

Really? You display unrestrained contempt for those members who undertake the difficult task of reupholstering their mattresses, none of whom made that decision lightly, I'm sure, calling them "irresponsible", etc., and you honestly don't believe you've been the slightest bit rude or condescending in your posts? I find that kind of hilarious.

Some of your advice sucks, by the way.
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #9 Jun 23, 2009 5:57 AM
Joined: Sep 7, 2007
Points: 476
What do you expect? By his own admission he's an industry man. The idea of informed, involved and capable consumers scares the crap out of him. If we can all make our own mattresses where does that leave him? Trying to scare people out of attempting mattress surgery and belittling those who have gone that route is a matter of job security to this guy. Dude, it's just a freakin' mattress, not a holy relic.
Re: Mattress Surgery. Good or Bad Idea?
Reply #10 Jun 24, 2009 12:59 AM
Joined: Jul 10, 2008
Points: 69
When you open the mattress, keep the damask cover and put it back over the mattress. Don't smoke in bed. Do the surgery, you have nothing to lose.