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I've heard that Latex doesn't have the heat storage problem like memory foam, but how does it compare to a normal interspring mattress with no latex/foam layers?

Honestly it's been a long time ago, that I slept on a mattress without some type of foam and I'm guessing you would be looking at some premium dollars to find one.  Again, I'm not the expert here but foam is such a common ingredient in most mattresses to cushion the intersprings.  It has an impressive feel when you first try it out but one often doesn't realize how warm they get after a few hours of laying one. The worst in my experience was my 3" memory foam topper on a latex core.  It felt really good when I set it up at home in the cool part of the year, although I noticed the extra warmth even in the winter.  I would sink into the foam so much, by the time summer rolled around I felt like a turkey in a roasting bag.  After 26 months the foam would no longer hold me up and being a side sleeper, I would wakeup with lower back aches and sore shoulders, (I'm 6-3 and 230lbs.).  I recently replaced the memory foam with a 3" latex topper from Az. Mattress, http://mattresses.net/3-king-latex-mattress-pad.html.  It's dunlop latex, so it's a little more firm than the Talalay, but I'm just getting used to the feel of it vs the memory foam.  I can tell you that temp. wise, it's like night and day.  I really like the coolness.  I may eventually even place a more plush layer of Talalay over this.  To answer your original question I would suspect that a conventional mattress without foam would be as cool or even have more circulation than latex but it all depends on how much you might sink into the top.  My memory tells me they are about the same.  Being warm natured myself I have no reservations about sleeping on latex.  One might think, since they are both foam they would all be hot sleeping, but there is a big difference for me.

Best of Luck,

Robert 

So looking at the link to the 5.5" Queen Size core from mattresses.net, if I pick up just the core, then all I need is a zippered cover and a bed frame to have a sleepable bed?  I'm a little confused about buying just the core, reading their website they says it is just a replacement component and not a full mattress.  Is this (http://store.mattresses.net/queen--premium--protect-a-bed-mattress-cover.html) the sort of cover I need or is that just a protector?  Or what about this from Walmart (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Invacare-Zippered-Mattress-Cover/13181326)?

As far as the bed frame,  what if I buy a bed frame like this (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S39849860) from Ikea with a set of slats (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/25844409) or even the nicer ones (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60125969).  Would it still be necessary to add a foundation to protect the Latex core?

Thanks again for the help its really appreciated!

From R&S Mattress:

http://cheap-latex-foam-mattress.com/3108-four-seasons-marquee-plush-5-0-queen-mattress.html - $599.  I'm not sure this is the exact one I tried but its close.  On the tag it said Spring Air Marquee II, which I can't find anything on google for, but the salesman said it was a Four Seasons and this looks pretty similar.  The salesman said it was a $1300 mattress in normal retail stores, the tag said original retail was $1200 with R&S price normal price being $11000.  The $599 was the salesman's quote.  Either way it seems like a really good deal, the mattress was really comfortable and it seemed like it had the perfect combination I'm looking for with a firm overall support but a soft top layer.  The salesman also said it had individually wrapped coils.  Also no pillow top or memory foam, so I don't think it will get too warm.  The mattress was wrapped in plastic though so I didn't get to verify that.  My only issue with this mattress is it was REALLY tall and thick.  I guess this is good as far as quality and comfort but I like my bed closer to the ground.  If I do go with this mattress I deffinitely won't be using a box spring.

http://cheap-latex-foam-mattress.com/size/5480-hannah-ultra-plush-latex-top-5-0-queen-mattress.html - $550.  Again I'm not sure this is the exact same mattress but its close.  According to the salesman it had a non-laytex foam core, with an all natural latex top.  The tag said it was a Brooklyn Hannah Ultra Plush Latex Top.  I like this mattress because I like the idea of getting away from an innerspring mattress and this seems about the best I can do without getting a full-latex core mattress (too expensive).  I'm worried about the quality of the non-laytex foam core though.

From SleepEZ:

Miracle Bedding Latex Top, non-Latex Foam Core - $550.  I can't find any info for this mattress online.  According to the salesman it was a mattress that they bring in from another manufacturer (Miracle Bedding in CA) and they just recently got it in and hadn't sold many.  He said it had a "poly-foam" core with a topper made of all natural laytex.  This seemed pretty similar to the Brooklyn Hannah above as far as quality and layout,  but I think it was a little too soft in comparison.  On the other hand I was really impressed with the mattresses that SleepEZ made themselve's, though they were out of my price range.  But the impression I got was they make quality mattresses which makes me think they wouldn't bring in a poor quality mattress from another distributor.

Anyways I'm gonna stop by the bedphoenix.com (AZ Premium Mattress) location after work today and see what they have to offer.  Right now I'm leaning towards the Four Seasons from R&S as it seems like too good of a deal to pass on.  Unless I find something better at AZ Premium, or you guys recommend against it, I will likely go back to R&S and purchase the Four Seasons tonight.

Also, I did pick up the Malm bed frame and slats from Ikea last night for ~$280.

Even though R&S is factory direct for Brooklyn bedding, they also sell other brands. I would tend to stick with the Brooklyn brand there.

There are two miracle beddings both in California. One of them is a really small outfit without even a website and doesn't make any latex mattresses (I called them to find out) The other one is out of business so I don't now what they made. Perhaps there is a third or they just were able to get a really good price for the remaining mattresses. I'd be interested to know.

In any case, if a manufacturer uses a good quality polyfoam under latex, that and latex over innersprings would be the "next best thing" to an all latex mattress. Some people may even prefer latex over innersprings in it's feel even though it would (should) be less. At Sleepez I would probably also go with the poly/latex combination as well.

Good quality poly in the support layers is not the same problem as poly in the upper comfort layers.

The other advantage to a foam mattress is that it doesn't need a box spring under it and your slatted foundation and bed would do great. An innerspring mattress usually (not always) needs a boxspring rather than a slatted foundation

There should also be some good options at Bed Phoenix. Once you've been there ... I would wait a day or two before you bought and post your options here so you can get a sense of what you think may be best.

Phoenix

So it sounds like there is a reason the Four Seasons innerspring is discounted so much.  With that info, I'm leaning towards the Brooklyn Polyfoam/Latex mattress now.  I'm still going to check out Bed Phoenix, but I'm not really expecting much.  I checked out their address on google maps and it basically looks like someone's house out on the edge of the city.  Unless I find something really impressive there, I'm going to return to R&S and buy the Brooklyn tonight.  I really don't think I can make another couple nights, even on an air mattress.

I should also mention that R&S does give a 30-day comfort guarantee so I'll have an option to swap the Brooklyn if it doesn't work out.

GL.

Phoenix

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I'm surprised none of them showed you any of their lower end spring mattresses (what I call "throwaways") which can sometimes provide good value (they won't last for a long long time but the price you pay reflects that) however I believe that a poly latex combination would likely be better anyway. I would also ask them the thickness and the ILD of the upper latex layer (to help determine the value you are getting) as well as the thickness and what kind of poly is being used as a support core (the density and type of poly) as this will make a difference in how long it will last.

Phoenix

PS: If you look at some of the Sealy Embody mattresses, you will find latex poly combinations selling for well over $2000 and even the lowest end insightful mattress only over $1500 "on sale"

Congratulations!

Phoenix

PS: as an interesting side note for others who may read this, Foamex no longer lists Sensus as one of it's products on it's website. It appears that Energia has replaced Resilitex and Aerus has replaced Sensus ... at least outside of custom orders.