new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Oct 14, 2008 11:02 PM
Joined: Oct 14, 2008
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Hello to all,

   I read as much as I could from old posts, but a lot of the posts I saw didnt help narrow anything down for me.  I'll start by saying that I am looking for a medium-firm mattress in KING size.  Not only do I like the feel of medium-firm and some plush-firms, I hear they are better for us back sufferers.  I want to spend 2,000 or under TOTAL.

 I went today and slept on a TON of beds and found the most comfortable for me was the "SIMMONS BEAUTYREST World-Class Plush-Firm.......".  It wasnt a pillowtop and had only a little padding on top the coils.   I come to this site though, hoping to find good reviews, and am really disappointed.  All reviews found here on the Beautyrest are negative. 

The only two mattresses I have ever had have BOTH been Sealy Posturepedics and BOTH sagged horribly in the middle after 6 months.  I don't want the same experience for me and my new wife.  And even though the Beautyrest was so comfortable, I dont want something with bad reviews from other people. 

 I always like to make the best informed decision possible, I just feel lost in trying to make the best choice.  I even tried to find a flip-style model, as I read on here that may be the best bet, but I was told time and time again that those werent made anymore.  Need some help here.  Again, looking for medium-firm, under 2,000, and something that wont breakdown under normal circumstances.  Open to any suggestions.    Thanks.     

This message was modified Oct 14, 2008 by bayoufrogg
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #3 Oct 15, 2008 5:17 PM
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I have never slept on a latex bed.  After reading on this site, though, seems like people w/ back probs just dont like them.  I know I cant STAND a tempurpedic mattress.  I just want a firm mattress that a majority of people say they have not had probs after 5 years.  Cant seem to find any GOOD reviews......one here and there, but not much more than that. 
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #4 Oct 15, 2008 5:38 PM
Joined: Sep 27, 2008
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You may also check to see if you have an otis bed dealer nearby.
They make foam mattresses:
http://www.csnfutons.com/Liberty-8"-Futon-Mattress-OD1047.html
http://www.csnfutons.com/Haley-150-8-Futon-Mattress-OD1055.html

BTW, did you say that both your mattresses sagged after just 6 MONTHS ??
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #5 Oct 17, 2008 5:39 AM
Joined: Sep 7, 2007
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bayoufrogg wrote: 

 I went today and slept on a TON of beds and found the most comfortable for me was the "SIMMONS BEAUTYREST World-Class Plush-Firm.......".  It wasnt a pillowtop and had only a little padding on top the coils.   I come to this site though, hoping to find good reviews, and am really disappointed.  All reviews found here on the Beautyrest are negative. 

The only two mattresses I have ever had have BOTH been Sealy Posturepedics and BOTH sagged horribly in the middle after 6 months.  I don't want the same experience for me and my new wife.  And even though the Beautyrest was so comfortable, I dont want something with bad reviews from other people. 

 I always like to make the best informed decision possible, I just feel lost in trying to make the best choice.  I even tried to find a flip-style model, as I read on here that may be the best bet, but I was told time and time again that those werent made anymore.  Need some help here.  Again, looking for medium-firm, under 2,000, and something that wont breakdown under normal circumstances.  Open to any suggestions.    Thanks.     


Sealy, Simmons, Serta, Spring Air--the so-called S Brand mattresses get bad reviews because they make bad mattresses. They feel great in the store, but you can't rely on that feeling to last much more than six months--less if you make the mistake of buying a pillowtop. The problem is the layers of PU foam and soft low quality memory foam used in the construction. So if you're looking for a good review of any S brand mattress you probably won't find it. That's why latex mattress kits from places like Flobeds and SleepEZ are so popular. But not everyone can sleep on latex and some people simply prefer the kind of back support you can only get with an innerspring.

I don't know what part of the country you live in, but if it's anywhere near a major metropolitan area I would suggest trying to find a small local company that makes its own mattresses. They will often customize to your specifications since they make them on site, and it might be your best bet to get a high quality old-fashion flippable innerspring mattress to which you can add your own comfort layers. Most retail mattress stores do have flippable mattresses without all the excess PU foam padding, but they are usually low end models, suitable for guest rooms or kids rooms, but not everyday use by two adults.

Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #6 Oct 17, 2008 5:49 AM
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Wolf makes mattresses (marketed as futon mattresses) with polyyester fibers
for the comfort layer (as opposed to foam). Would polyester fibers suffer from the same
shortcomings ?

I had a wolf mattress for several years, and I liked it; but then I dont have a problem
with most mattresses.
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #7 Oct 17, 2008 11:18 AM
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I replaced my Simmons, with a Latex kit bed from FloBeds! I been to most latex Mattress Co. West of the Rockies. Several in Southern Cal., Sleep Ez in Good Year Az. Went to FloBeds because of their return pollicy. Sleep Ez about $400 to restock, I think!?  I could not believe the third night. I woke up in the AM in the same position I fell asleep in! No more lower back pain. Latex pillow also! No more neck pain!
They claim 97%  of their sales are internet. The strange thing is it is a warm sleep! Not hot! Like the Sensor foam! There's no support in the sensor foam anyway! Waited way to long about 8 years looking! As one store had a small block of sensor foam,  under a bed post! Several years worth of pressure, it never sprung back! Same thing was done with a latex block, no damage!
Simmion, as I understand use non tempered springs! The part that fail is thje padding any way. The deeper the pillow top on any bed faster the hole forms.

It will be your best $!,800 spent! Go latex! I'm sold! If a heavy person, you would need a three layer kit mattress. Why a kit bed?  You can play around the firmness.
This message was modified Oct 17, 2008 by Jcocker
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #8 Oct 19, 2008 6:04 AM
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Bayoufrogg mentioned he was a back pain sufferer. Latex is great--IF you can sleep on it. For many people with lower back issues latex is not a good fit. They often need a mattress with rigid support to the lumbar area. This means one of the Bonnell varients-- offset, continuous coil, Luraflex--but not pocket coils which support the back in a similar manner to latex. And the less foam the better--as always!
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #9 Oct 20, 2008 8:26 PM
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I'm a side sleeper and love my three layer latex. Recently I have been thinking of making it a little softer. All I really have to do is flip a couple of layers. I really needed a firm mattress three years ago. This worked great, and allowed me to fine tune the bed.

I just remembered, I got my latex from memoryfoam.com.
It took me over a year to decide to order latex. I started with an Aerobed of all things. I was experimenting to see how firm I needed my bed to relieve back pain. I was blowing them up to the max and they would start leaking in three months. I was under warranty three times, but it really taught me what I needed. One other person started out on an aerobed, it's hard to remember. :) I would still be on one if they didn't have the leak problems. I'll bet they have turned the air pressure down by now.

My latex is on plyboard. First I ordered a 35 and 28 and by folding them I got about any combination I could think of. I finally bought another 35 (says 33.5). Back when I was looking the 35/35/28 was very popular among the larger men.

Are you guys still using ILD, I don't see much mention of it anymore...

One thing I know from hanging out here in the past, you are not going to find the magical apples in a couple of days. If you do I would like to invite you to Vegas with me. :)
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #10 Oct 21, 2008 9:22 PM
Location: Yosemite area
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Cloud 9, you really are a font of information!   I've been off this site for a few weeks(computer and all in it died), just found it again.   I kept wishing and hoping my individual coil mattress would somehow work(ya know, the one that is in pieces).  You've just described why it won't.  Latex does NOT work for my back and neither does this type of coil...had no idea why.  Thanks!
I bought a mattress for my daughter recently, made by the mattress maker in Fresno.  Simple bed, bonnell unit, cotton batting, just a bit of foam on top, and flippable.  She LOVES it.  Now for my back.
I have two choices right now.  One, have them remove the innards of my bed, put in a Bonnell unit and the cotton and foam, and zipper...hope that works.  Otherwise, can start again from scratch and have them make a bed for me.  Good money after bad.
Other thing I found out recently is that the Sealy Signature series has the springs that I slept on in the Crown Jewell(when I was out of town, healed my back).  These springs have an extra bit of coil that sticks up and offers additional support, so they say.  This from the bed blog that answers bed questions(that guy knows his stuff). 
But if I buy one of these, I fear the same problem that i have had in the past, the foam breaking down way prematurely.   If I buy one of these and then try to have my bed guy fix it, I think he'll refuse. 
Anybody have any ideas on that?
This message was modified Oct 21, 2008 by Kait
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #11 Oct 21, 2008 9:26 PM
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I couldn't agree more.  My biggest problem was trying to find a bed that both my girlfriend and I were comfortable on.  We're both picky and we both like different firmness levels; not a good combo when shopping for a mattress.  So far we both love our Flobed.  The best part is being able to fine tune it for a reasonable cost within the 90 day window (<---- sorry for sounding like an infomercial).   We went with the three layer (Posture Deluxe) simply for configurability.  I had been worried that the convoluted latex topper would be way to soft for me, but I've been very happy so far.

Edit: And for some reason it didn't quote like it was supposed to.  This was in response to greenlaser.
This message was modified Oct 21, 2008 by DuLL_ExIsTeNz
Re: new to forum - HELP! back probs, 1st mattress, $2000 and under, tired of sagging
Reply #12 Oct 22, 2008 6:04 AM
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Kait--glad to help. Most of what I've learned about mattresses has come from researching this forum.

The coil system in the Sealy you liked is an open end offset coil. Spring Air also uses this system. If you have a mattress made for you ask for it. It has more turns per coil than a simple Bonnell and supports an adult weight better.

I'm curious--where do you get a spring unit, cotton padding etc to put into your current mattress cover? Foam is easy. Making an old fashioned mattress from scratch? I'd love to do that. My 20-year-old flippable Spring Air was just cotton padding over the offset coils and a little bit of HR foam in the uphostery. That mattress had terrific lumbar support and I think part of it was the firm cotton padding over the springs. You just can't duplicate that feeling with foam no matter how firm it is.

This message was modified Oct 22, 2008 by cloud9