Not sure this DIY foam set-up is working...
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Well, i guess this is what i get from trying to go cheap...! My set-up is: 3" LUX HQ 3" HD36-HQ 1 1/2" eggcrate HD36 1 1/2" eggcrate supersoft It feels comfortable initially, but i have been awakening in the night just NOT comfortable...feeling pressure points, and just feeling like it's too *hard*..I'm not sinking into the cush like i'd like to (i guess there's not a whole lot of cush on it--yet). Last night i gave up and hauled my old innerspring (Englander, love it, but too much motion transfer!) over the foam setup, and LOVED sinking into--yet being supported by--the innerspring mattress. My foam setup keeps reminding me of ZZZZZsplease's remark that she felt as if she were on a 'mushy slab of concrete'! But, maybe it can be remedied. I've ordered 1" of latex (soft) and 1" of Sensus memory foam, and a CuddleBed. But i'm thinking that i'm really missing the 'flex' i get from the innerspring mattress...Maybe an all latex core/toppers would help with this? Of course, i just shelled out money that i would LIKE not to go to waste...But i also would love something with some 'give' and with no motion. *sigh*. Maybe i should have gone with latex the whole time? |
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Electracat, you sound like you have the EXACT problem I have had with my foam experiments for the past year or so. My solution - though not sure it will work - was to buy the Englander mattress and then put my own foam on top of it. I have not even tried it yet, just got it delivered today and will probably wait a short while (not sure how long) before cutting it open for an emergency cheap-foam-ectomy! But maybe you could do what we do: My wife and I put our twin mattresses side by side, which is basically a KING when they're put together. That eliminates the motion transfer problem. She's a "restless leg" person and I'm a bad back person and light sleeper so even though we did not want to sleep in seperate beds, this was the only way we could sleep. (mostly me) The only drawback is that of course you do have the gap in the middle and if you get something to close that gap (someone does make a device for that) then you have more motion being transferred between the 2. So we just forego sleeping WITH each other and settle for am and pm, ahem, "visits"... The reason I finally decided to go with springs again was because after hitting on a good combination of foams on top of my wife's Sealy springs, (I threw my Sealy springs out a few months ago because I felt they were no good anymore), her mattress feels infinitely more comfortable than my foam-only one, no matter WHAT combination of foams I tried (and believe me, I tried dozens of combinations!). She has this now which feels pretty good to me and her: From top down: 2" Sensus foam (I figured this was too much but she wanted her mattress softer than it was so this is what we did. If she finds it hurts her back - so far it doesn't - we'll substitute 1" of Venus foam for the 2" of Sensus foam) 3/4" latex. It's Talalay, not sure the ILD, maybe 24 or 28? 1" HR foam. We have it zoned. I think she has Medium at top, Firm at the hips and firm at the feet 1/4" memory foam - this came with the Sealy and I think is just there to protect the next layer up from the wire over the springs Sealy Springs (CostCo Fenway from 7 years ago) So basically, she has 3 and 3/4" of foam over springs (I don't count that 1/4" of mem. foam because it basically just sinks into the wire below it) I think changing the 2" Sensus to 1" Venus will work better but I'm waiting for her to tell me her back hurts from it. So far she's used this for a month or so and says it's okay. I have tried it (but not for a whole night) and it seems pretty good - WAY better than mine was with pure foam, for sure. Pure foam was killing me! If you were to operate on your Englander (assuming the springs in there will work for mattress surgery, like the Sealys seem to), you could have the same combination of foams but eliminate one layer of HQ and one layer of Egg crate (to start). |
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Jim--thanks for the support! So hard to figure out...I KNOW i've slept on really comfortable all-foam beds (the most recent one was soy-based HR foam with one or two thin layers of latex at the top), BUT they were also only 1.8 density, and will probably not hold up in the long run. If i didn't have the motion problem, i'd revert to the springs in a second. It felt so insanely comfortable sleeping on it last night!!! Do you really feel no motion at all with your setup...I put two twins side by side at one point, and we tried it for a few minutes, but it seemed that if they're *touching* some motion will be transferred...But perhaps that's the best option! Have you tried an all-latex bed? I could probably (and will) go back and read your posts.. Will keep you posted! ;) |
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Jim--i just reread your posts and saw that you did try latex. How did you feel on it? Was it similar to the HR foam, or quite different? Flobeds is indeed tempting due to their great return policy, but i'm afraid i'll like it and won't be able to really afford to keep it...! |
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Yes, I tried latex. To me Talalay latex is too bouncy, not in the sense of motion transfer, no. Just in the sense that it seems to "push back" but not in a gentle way like springs but in a more immediate, harder way. Hard to explain, except to just say that latex is RUBBER. I think it can work as a core, but not so good for top layers. That is, for ME (and for many others who feel the same way). That said, many DO like latex and so the only way to find out is to try. When I go back to adding layers on top of my new mattress (after it breaks down) I'll probably try some Dunlop latex or jungle latex with Sensus or Venus foam on top. We do separate our twin beds just enough that they don't touch. Although this is somewhat unfortunate in terms of intimacy, it is the only way we could sleep "together". That gap in between can be as little as a couple inches, depends on how many blankets you use and how sensitive you are to motion. I am SUPER sensitive to motion so I just can't have her blankets and stuff touching my bed, also because she is also a super tosser-turner. I hope the latex and Sensus works for you. You sound like me, though, that maybe you need an innerspring. I resisted the idea for YEARS and finally realized the truth of it. |
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hi jim thanks for the response. We'll see what happens..I should receive the topper layers this week. Might have to do the two-bed thing at some point! Hey, it's better for intimacy than the two-room thing, which is what we're doing right now! And when you're tired there's really not a lot of chance for intimacy, anyway, so it pays to get good sleep. Why did my friend's foam mattress feel so darned comfortable? Is it because the foam (1.8 density soy-based foam) was a lower density and a lower firmness--thus will break down more quickly? It was so 'giving' and soft, not a cement feeling like the foam i have now... Will report back this week! |