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We are desperately in need of a new bed (high end Simmons pillowtop with severe indentations). We are considering the Original mattress Factory since they have flippable models. i'm wondering if it might be better to get a non-pillowtop and then buy a topper so that we could change the topper every few years instead of replacing the whole mattress? But we're not too familiar with that company so don't know about quality for the long haul. The other model we're considering is the Westin Heavenly Bed. I worry b/c it's not flippable, but maybe it will hold up longer if it's built to withstand heavy hotel traffic?? Any input is appreciated! Lisa |
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I'm not a bed scientist by any means but have watched a lot of forums and read a lot of online information. Would you mind sharing how long ago you bought your "high end Simmons pillowtop" that now has "severe indentations"?? It would be helpful to others to know the details of your personal experience. It seems that the first thing to fail on most mattresses is the sewn topping the manufacturer places over the mattress core - some are called "euro-top" and some are called "pillow top" and some are called other spiffy names but beyond the name it appears that they are all just a cheaply made "toppers" sewn over a core and they prevent the owner from turning the mattress over to attempt to limit wear on core components. I don't know how much good flipping a innerspring core can do because once springs start to permanently compress and fail (which ALL metal springs start to do the minute weight and gravity are felt) flipping will soon reach a point of diminishing returns. I suppose if I wasgoing to buy a innerspring mattress (we personally gave them up over 22 years ago THANK GOD!!) I would buy one without a sewn-in factory cheap topper layer(s) and add my own topper as separately bought toppers seem to be much better made and consequently will last significantly longer. However there is still the long term problem (or maybe not so long term) which is that regardless of the topper you add you still have metal springs/coils below. Heavier folk (and the media says majority of us are porkers) will see quicker failure than the skinnier and less heavy among us. Statistically online surveys show that almost 40% of buyers of innerspring mattresses are unhappy with their beds - many after just a few months of use. You could consider a different type core like Memory Foam or Latex. Those same surveys show that around 80% of buyers are happy with their purchases - about the same percentage as people that own waterbeds. You probably wouldn't consider something totally different like a hard side waterbed mattress with a foam topper but we can testify after over 22 years of GREAT sleep on waterbeds that we have found them to be significantly less expensive than other types, firmness is easily adjusted and they by the nature of their construction will NEVER sag nor have permanent indentations or depressions due to core failure. I am typing this after yet another night of blissful 8 hrs of sleep on our wonderful waterbed! I'm not sure that "hotel" beds are any better than others. Many hotel beds actually get less heavy traffic than one in a person's home that is slept on every night - most hotel rooms are not booked every night of the year and so get less average use. After reading so much info online one thing is quite clear - a LOT of people don't sleep well and they all are having a VERY difficult time making sense out of the many mattress choices available so we wish you the very best of luck with your qwest for a good and comfortable night's rest but I recommend you look for an alternative to the very old technology of the innerspring core. This message was modified Apr 15, 2009 by imjay
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Not sure, but I just had to tell imjay that he is just so CUTE, always reminding about the waterbeds. IMO, it isn't the springs that give out quickly, it is the cheaper PU foam in the topper. That's why the topper business is good, that's why people throw out their beds. I have a saddle business which I started when gimmicks took over the market. I researched to make a better tree(the foundation of the saddle) that really fits. The gimmick sellers have people convinced that trees are bad, and that by getting rid of those, or adding on foam, flexible panels, etc., they have a better saddle. I have messed with foam, know a lot about the stuff, but never managed to improve fit by going with a cheap tree and adding stuff to it to make it fit better. I kinda feel like the small bed makers sometimes! Anyway, I just wanted to mention that foam breaks down long before any springs can. It is the nature of the material. Oh, and I had a waterbed for a long time. Not a bad bed, but even a waveless mattress was very influenced by my partner's movements, much more than with a spring mattress. I remember going UUUUPPPP when my hubby climbed into bed, and dropping(doooooowwwnnnn(and the bed softening) when he got out. Have they fixed that? Oh, wait, that might be physics. I did like how warm it was in the winter, tho. Kait |
| I doubt that the Heavanly bed is built stronger than the OMF. Hotels change their beds out more often and will actually get less wear than your bed. (Not every room/bed has a someone sleeping in it every night). Kait is right that the PU foam is what you want to stay away from. Consider buying one of their firm models and putting toppers on for softness. |
Heavenly bed is actually a re-badged Simmons Beautyrest for Westin hotels.  |
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Innerspring coils don't compress or sag. Padding and foams do--especially poor quality material. imjay wrote: I'm not a bed scientist by any means but have watched a lot of forums and read a lot of online information. Would you mind sharing how long ago you bought your "high end Simmons pillowtop" that now has "severe indentations"?? It would be helpful to others to know the details of your personal experience.<p>It seems that the first thing to fail on most mattresses is the sewn topping the manufacturer places over the mattress core - some are called "euro-top" and some are called "pillow top" and some are called other spiffy names but beyond the name it appears that they are all just a cheaply made "toppers" sewn over a core and they prevent the owner from turning the mattress over to attempt to limit wear on core components.</p><p>I don't know how much good flipping a innerspring core can do because once springs start to permanently compress and fail (which ALL metal springs start to do the minute weight and gravity are felt) flipping will soon reach a point of diminishing returns.</p><p>I suppose if I wasgoing to buy a innerspring mattress (we personally gave them up over 22 years ago THANK GOD!!) I would buy one without a sewn-in factory cheap topper layer(s) and add my own topper as separately bought toppers seem to be much better made and consequently will last significantly longer. However there is still the long term problem (or maybe not so long term) which is that regardless of the topper you add you still have metal springs/coils below. Heavier folk (and the media says majority of us are porkers) will see quicker failure than the skinnier and less heavy among us.</p><p>Statistically online surveys show that almost 40% of buyers of innerspring mattresses are unhappy with their beds - many after just a few months of use.</p><p>You could consider a different type core like Memory Foam or Latex. Those same surveys show that around 80% of buyers are happy with their purchases - about the same percentage as people that own waterbeds. You probably wouldn't consider something totally different like a hard side waterbed mattress with a foam topper but we can testify after over 22 years of GREAT sleep on waterbeds that we have found them to be significantly less expensive than other types, firmness is easily adjusted and they by the nature of their construction will NEVER sag nor have permanent indentations or depressions due to core failure. I am typing this after yet another night of blissful 8 hrs of sleep on our wonderful waterbed!</p><p>I'm not sure that "hotel" beds are any better than others. Many hotel beds actually get less heavy traffic than one in a person's home that is slept on every night - most hotel rooms are not booked every night of the year and so get less average use.</p><p>After reading so much info online one thing is quite clear - a LOT of people don't sleep well and they all are having a VERY difficult time making sense out of the many mattress choices available so we wish you the very best of luck with your qwest for a good and comfortable night's rest but I recommend you look for an alternative to the very old technology of the innerspring core. |
| We now have three OMF beds in our house. One is 13+ years old and has been recently retired. It was a pillowtop that my daughter had. The foam wore, but the springs are still very good. I personally chose the non pillowtop option recently and am very pleased. |