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As you know I have been trying to get back to the "sweet spot" that I achieved on my newly operated-on Englander a few months ago. For some reason it was great at first then mysteriously didn't work for me any more. So lately I've been trying various configurations. Two nights ago I put my fake Venus foam on top. So it was like this from the top down: Venus 1" foam (fake Venus sold by Overstock) 32ILD natural Talalay latex 1" HR foam on bottom Englander springs That did not work for me. Then, as I have done before, I reversed the memory foam so that it was not on top, but rather under one layer. This worked for me. This also has been the way my wife has been using it for some time. Everyone says memory foam should be the top layer when used, but we find that it is better for us as a 2nd layer. (Of course, in my case, who knows? It may stop working for me tonight! But I have used it this way successfully in the past.) Just wondering if anyone else has found this works for them - memory foam UNDER another layer? So anyway, this is working for me now: (hope it keeps working) 32ILD natural Talalay latex Venus 1" memory foam (fake Venus sold by Overstock) 1" HR foam on bottom Englander springs This message was modified Mar 10, 2010 by jimsocal
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sandman wrote: Have you tried your soft piece of latex below the 32ILD? That should be even firmer and more supportive if that is what you are looking for. Maybe too firm? Sandman, I recently came to the conclusion that the "mystery latex" I formerly had, is probably not softer than the 32ILD natural Talalay. I think it might be synthetic instead of natural, but it feels about the same ILD. I always thought it was a softer piece, like 24-28ILD, but I had nothing to compare it to except from memory. Now that I have the 32ILD Talalay natural piece, and we compare them, it feels like the old piece is probably very close to the same ILD. I WISH I had a softer piece of Talalay and that is probably my next purchase, but I have to wait a while before buying more. At least for now this present configuration with the fake Venus under the Natural Talalay is working for me! Thank goodness for that! Any time I get a night's good sleep, without back pain, I am thrilled!  |
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The only reason I'm replying to my own post is to set the record straight... As I should have known after all this time, the fake Venus softened up too much by the 3rd night and I woke up this morning with lower back pain. Now I have to replace it with latex, and/or reconfigure my mattress again. This time, I'm REALLY DONE with memory foam! In fact, I"m taking it off and calling Overstock to get a refund for misrepresenting it as real Venus when it is not. What is weird is that they are still selling it as "Venus". I may have to fight them on this.... |
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jimsocal wrote: The only reason I'm replying to my own post is to set the record straight...
As I should have known after all this time, the fake Venus softened up too much by the 3rd night and I woke up this morning with lower back pain. Now I have to replace it with latex, and/or reconfigure my mattress again. This time, I'm REALLY DONE with memory foam! In fact, I"m taking it off and calling Overstock to get a refund for misrepresenting it as real Venus when it is not. What is weird is that they are still selling it as "Venus". I may have to fight them on this.... I just looked at your old surgery photos, and it looks to me like your old latex might be all synthetic. I assume you are now considering adding 1" of new latex to replace that or the fake Venus? |
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sandman wrote: I just looked at your old surgery photos, and it looks to me like your old latex might be all synthetic. I assume you are now considering adding 1" of new latex to replace that or the fake Venus? Yes, if I can get my money back on the Venus from O'stock, I will buy a piece of soft latex, maybe 24ILD, natural. I think Rocky Mountain has it, or is it SleepEZ or both? Anyway, that's what I want to buy. Right now I just replaced the Venus with my synthetic latex layer because that was easy. If it doesn't feel right, then I might try the same thing with the wool on top. And if that doesn't work, I'll HAVE to buy another layer of latex, asap. |
| I have Flobeds latex that's coming up on 10 years old, and the latex cores are starting to dry and crack around the edges, so that's not necessarily an indication of synthetic, is it? |
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elisa wrote: I have Flobeds latex that's coming up on 10 years old, and the latex cores are starting to dry and crack around the edges, so that's not necessarily an indication of synthetic, is it? |
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Leo3 wrote: My piece could be anything. There's no way to know, I got it unmarked at a warehouse. All I know is that it's getting dried out around the edges. Or, heck, maybe all latex dries out like this over time, or maybe it's the natural latex that does. Paging: BUDGY! This message was modified Mar 13, 2010 by jimsocal
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jimsocal wrote:
My piece could be anything. There's no way to know, I got it unmarked at a warehouse. All I know is that it's getting dried out around the edges. Or, heck, maybe all latex dries out like this over time, or maybe it's the natural latex that does. Paging: BUDGY! |
| I really don't have any numbers I could provide on this. The only empirical evidence is my own samples of aging blended talalay and natural talalay cores. The natural ones of which have remained more pliable and less brittle to the touch. I know when people bring there kids into the store they always end up playing with the samples, everytime they get their hands on the blended talalay sample I gotta vacuum the floor afterwards (3 year old sample, but its been doing this for a couple of years now). |
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budgy wrote:
I really don't have any numbers I could provide on this. The only empirical evidence is my own samples of aging blended talalay and natural talalay cores. The natural ones of which have remained more pliable and less brittle to the touch. I know when people bring there kids into the store they always end up playing with the samples, everytime they get their hands on the blended talalay sample I gotta vacuum the floor afterwards (3 year old sample, but its been doing this for a couple of years now). B Budgy, thanks for sharing this. When it comes to the durability of natural vs. blended Talalay, I guess only time will tell. I wonder if contaminants have affected your sample pieces. I would imagine naturally occurring body oils on peoples' hands (as they handle the stuff), dirt/pollutants from the environment, the lack of steady compression from use as a mattress and even exposure to sunlight would affect any of your Talalay samples. I recently spoke with the owner of a latex mattress web site-- I called a lot of retailers-- and he said he expects the natural Talalay latex to last about 10 years before compressing too much. And yes, his site sold both natural and blended Talalay mattresses. I wish there were more data on this. This message was modified Apr 4, 2010 by Jerseydevil
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