Mattress Forum

the Vimala was just recenty revised although it was our most popular mattress.  my brother sleeps on one, and I probably would have gotten one for myself however before we got the line I took the plunge on a Natura Eco Haven, which I am very happy with btw.  More than anything I just really like the base systems the GreenSleep beds use.

we do carry some Sueno product which we have actually private labelled so we could get Obasan's fabric on one of the beds.  The name Obasan is only sold direct from the manufacturer.  they are fantastic mattresses, customers generally like them a lot very comparable to the Natura organic line interms of the different build ups.  Although they do things a little bit differently. 

I really do believe though that when it comes to the quality of the raw materials and construction that GreenSleep is in a league of its own...we usually end up comparing those mattresses to beds in much higher price categories like Hypnos and Vi-Spring because from a build quality stand point that is really the more direct competition.  So a lot of really happy people there, although I think that rubber has some limitations so there is no real guarantee that the beds will deliver 100% of what people want, however I do believe that if someone had a Vimala or the new Dolcezza model from them and they were not satisfied then really no all latex mattress would have worked. 

I lay on the eco haven there and it was too firm for both of us but it was a good reference point. The transcend was too firm as well although it was on sale for a very good price and we "tried to like it" because of the price. We both liked the slats. They also carried the OMI Terra and that spoiled both of us, especially in it's softest configuration which we liked the best and it became our initial reference point for what we tended to like. They also had some Englander "all latex" as well and also carried slabs of latex to make your own but we didn't know that at the time (cause they didn't show us).

The other store had their own brand of "custom layers" but while we learned a lot about the feel we liked, we didn't like the quality of their ticking (well actually my other half didn't like it cause she notices stuff like frayed edges more than me). They also carried magniflex which didn't impress us with either the price or the "features" in all their different types of "additives" in the ticking. When we went back to the first place after this was when we found out they also had "make your own layers".

We made a lot of trips to other places as well and at that point I hadn't even discovered this forum yet.

I never did lay on a green sleep but I liked the look of the obasan a lot when I saw it online.

Anyhow, I'm just rambling on as she is marking papers (she's a teacher) in our bed so I can't go and crash yet (laughing).

Gonna go and see if I can convince her to go to sleep.

Good night

Phoenix

OMI is all 'natural' talalay right?  They actually tried to contact us a long time ago to carry their product....how would you compare the product to the Natura's you tried on the overall? 

We also had Magniflex contact us to become a dealer....their product seems very confusing and very gimmicky, I really was not interested in it whatsoever.

The Terra has a Talalay core and then "softer" latex on either side and then the topper. They do say it's all natural but their literature doesn't say the other layers are Talalay although I would think they were (and some other places say it is all Talalay). At the time I wasn't really considering it due to the price but I did like it's feel a lot. It would probably be safe to say that if it wasn't for the Terra and that we both wanted something that felt as good as that but within our budget, I would probably have bought something much sooner. It was the desire to reproduce it and see "what else was out there" that was the initial impetus to my research before it took on a life of its own. It to me felt and looked much nicer than any of the Natura's that I either lay on or even saw. It was very impressive. Their 81 was also very interesting and from a retail point of view could be quite practical as there are no comfort exchanges (it has 81 different configurations).

The magniflex to me was one big series of gimmics. I did lay on a couple and they were ok but nothing special ... especially for their price range. Even the salesperson there didn't treat them too seriously. I guess I just couldn't see the benefit of 22 karat gold impregnated yarn ... or any of their other "special benefits".

Phoenix

Congratulations on your mattress. Sounds like you hit the right formula. Enjoy!!!!

My wife and I are continuing our hunt. Ran into the back store and came across Swiss Rest. Was very comfortable and all talalay latex. Also tried the OMI lago. Here are the specs on the Swiss Rest: The cushion firm was a great combination for us. Euro pillow top was quilted latex. Latex Int. is the supplier. I am cking out the company on the web.

Have you heard of them? Positive/negative??

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They are one of a large "family" of websites (at least 20) that I came across often in different iterations in my research. I came to recognize them pretty quickly and kept adding to a long list of sites that was (sort of) the same so I wouldn't keep covering the same ground. At that time most of them hadn't attached the name "Swiss Rest" to their mattress (and I don't think most of them do even now). They have been around for quite a while and specialize in adjustable beds and "medical" applications although they sell to consumers as well. They are all in the electropedic "family" of businesses and to their credit, at least the bbb rating of this site is an A (don't know if this covers the whole family or just this site).

I wanted to talk to someone closer to the "origin" of all these websites so I talked with someone here (pretty sure it was this one anyway but I'd have to go through a bunch of old notes to be sure) . This may or may not be the main site (Its different from the previous link) but I'm glad I called it.

The different websites had a lot of conflicting information and prices and they seemed very disorganized. For example at some sites the breakdown of the outer layers is 1.1, at other sites it is 1.9. Perhaps this is the difference between their high and low profile but I thought their low profile was just the core.

Having said that, I did have quite a long conversation with the person I talked to and he was quite up front with me. He said they were in a kind of "transition" period and that they hadn't really decided on a mattress that they wanted to "promote". He acknowledged the confusion that could come from the differing information at their many websites. He did say that while he personally did like the mattress with 1.1 + 5.6 + 1.1 ... that they were having some problems with it especially on adjustable beds. He seemed to know what he was talking about and seemed very honest ... but what he said didn't inspire me about the company (even though I appreciated the person). The main reason I talked to them was because of their combination of latex mattresses and the selection of adjustable beds at good prices (at least if you bought both from them) but not the best prices.

In the end, I was getting so much conflicting information about them that I pretty much decided to pass them by given the amount of choice there was out there.

Everything I did with them though was on the internet, it sounds like you found a bricks and mortar outlet. If that is the case then of course your research becomes much easier. FWIW ... the Latex International blended talalay comes in 5.6 inch slabs. The all natural is 6". Even many/most of the blended they are producing now is 6".

I would personally question outer layers that were that thin (1.1 or 1.9 depending on which website you go to) but personal experience should always overrule theory.

I also believe that each of the different outlets has some degree of "independence" so the actual mattresses may be different as well.

There is another "family" of websites (homeplacegroup) that I spend many hours trying to "unravel" that is even worse with outdated pricing and information. In their case all their sites lead to the same place (or at least the same place answers the phone). They would not honor any of the adjustable bed/mattress combinations I was interested in and kept trying to do a bait and switch with me (with the better value similar pricing BS).

So was this an actual store where you lay on mattresses?

Phoenix

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How is the new mattress working out?? Hope all is going well. 

The store we went to was The Back Store. They do mostly tempur-pedic with some other mattresses thrown in. We went there because they carried the OMI and we wanted to try them to rate them with other mattresses we tried. We tried the Terra, Lago and Flora. The Terra was nice but we like the Lago for a little more support and the Flora was too firm. After we layed on the OMI's,  the owner directed us to the Swiss Rest. The feel was between the Terra and the Lago. So I spoke with the sales rep after reading your response and advised I would like more info on the product and informed him I couldn't find anything directly related to Swiss Rest. He advised a sale rep from the company will call to answer my questions. The company name is Advanced Medical which is owned by The Back Store which does not have a public web site. Sounds strange to me. Have a list of questions when the rep calls.

It is so hard trying to find latex mattresses to try out. In our area there are no latex mattress dealers with some of the brands we have researched on the web and we had to travel two hours to try out the OMI's. I think we are getting close to understanding the various comfort levels with ILD's.

Questions - Does the blended latex have a different density then natural latex or are they close in the ILD ratings? If you use a blend what is the best % for blending?  Is it better mattress construction for the different layers which make up the comfort levels to be "glued or adhered" together for a better fell or doesn't it matter?

Will let you know what the company rep has to say.

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Blended Talalay and natural Talalay would feel very similar if they had the same ILD. I doubt that anyone could tell the difference if they didn't know which was which. Natural would be a little "springier" but the difference would be very small. Not as much difference as there would be between a similar ild layer of Dunlop latex and Talalay latex.

Here is a discussion between Latex international and Savvy Rest that talks about it a little more: http://www.savvyrest.com/blog/qa-our-talalay-suppliers

What city are you in? I may have some small supplier in my list near you.

And the mattress is wonderful. I can honestly say I haven't slept this well for a long time. No back issues for either of us so far either which would have been my only concern given that it is softer than many people would choose.

Phoenix

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