Mattress Forum

As far as your questions about Tempur-Pedic I am very quick to talk about the negatives of any polyurethane foam mattress including Tempur-Pedic.  The threads and comments that are made about Tempur-Pedic are also started by individuals that actually purchased the product and are making objective criticism.  If someone came along and started a thread about Tempur-Pedic and it was just called "Tempur-Pedic - don't buy it"  and they go on to explain that they like a soft bed and someone selling Tempur-Pedic recommended to them a firmer Tempur model like the Deluxe mattress instead of something like a Cloud Supreme, and then went on to criticise the brand because they perceive it to be expensive and not to buy the product simply because they didn't agree with the recommendation....I would take issue with that too.  

You are also making comments that are not based on objective information (assuming Indian made latex is of poor quality)...I usually ignore these kinds of things because I can't be bothered to try and comment on every little thing that happens on this website.  But when someone makes a thread about a product that most people are happy with and criticises the whole brand simply because they don't like the recommendation its really negative and not helpful to other people reading the forum. Also because some people may assume that after reading comments like this that all dunlop latex is incredibly firm, when in reality it can also be made fairly soft, soft enough in fact for most people.  

Cocolatex the guys that supply Savvyrest are the 2nd latex supplier in the world to be certified organic behind Latex Green of Sri Lanka.  I won't go so far as saying this means its better than other 100% natural dunlop rubber available but it certainly shows me that if they are willing to spend the money to get certified that they obviously go out of their way to ensure the purity and quality of their end product.  How do we know the reviews when people had issues with sagging it was not caused by excessive perspiration or inadequate bed frames/foundations? Or maybe it was really minor sagging from wool compaction that would happen to any other high quality latex mattress?

EDIT: A post I made on March 29th in a Tempur-Pedic thread:

"TDI (toluene diisocyanate) makes up about 2/3 of the weight of most poly foams, it is toxic. The other 3rd of the weight is some kind of polyol often polypropylene glycol, and then a 3rd required ingredient is some kind of blowing agent to act as a catalyst...the blowing agents used are usually the nastiest chemicals of the bunch but thankfully only make up maybe .5% of the end weight.  Most upholstery grade foam has other chemical additives like formaldehyde to increase its resistance to fire, as regular old poly foam is highly flammable. As far as what you are smelling...I am not sure...Tempur-Pedic does not disclose the exact list of ingredients used, I can only speculate based on how all other polyfoams are made.

The thing about most of these chemicals is that they are actually odourless...even if your mattress stops smelling....it is still giving off various hydrocarbons into the air, and some will ultimately also be absorbed transdermally through our skin.  Unless you LOVE the way these beds feel....I would recommend something with less chemical content.  "

I never said I hold anyone responsible for the sams club bed. I said I bought it because of that thread.  If someone does not like savvyrest, they should be free to say why. Everyone has their own opinion. Read one of the jimsocal? post where he said (even the softest) dunlop feels like sleeping on a rubber mat and yes he also agress that latex has a lot more pushback that some people may not like. If soft dunlop is so soft then why don't we see dunlop toppers selling on a wide scale?

As for Dunlop.  Don't know anything about Savy Rest, only what I have read on their website.  Their prices were too steep for me, so I stopped looking.  My "opinion" on Dunlop is only from my experience on 16ILD Latex Green 2" piece I had.  It was too firm for me.  I then later got a 35ILD LI 2" piece that felt the same.  Therefore I can compare this to a firm piece of latex that can only be used on the bottom layer.   Again, that is for me and it my opinion.

Your mileage may vary.

Richard,  I will gladly share my experiences/opinions on the company i am dealing with, or its products,  with people that are truly interested, and have an open mind, or are seeking advice.  I didnt see the point to do so with this particular person...because she/he seems to have a negative outlook on every product she/he speaks of. 

I, like just about everyone else in this forum, are here to learn or give their opinions/advice based on their experiences.  I'v learned a lot by reading reviews and threads on latex by all of these fine people in this forum...and may have many more questions once my mattress arrives.  I have had companies try and up-sell me, or push me to Dunlop latex (Im a Talalay Fan), etc...but I would never think to "bash" companies simply because I dont like what they tried to sell me based on firmness or prices.  I just dont see the point, or how that helps people like me, who are trying to get the best product for my individual needs.
 

I apologize if I have ruffled feathers.  I was just shocked at the comments.  I hope you, and everyone else in here has a wonderful day.  I still beleive that this forum is a god-send.  Without it, I would have never heard of Companies like Flobeds and SleepEZ etc.  Thank you to everyone!!
 

Leo

  If you dont mind my asking...from which company did you receive your Dunlop??  I have been sent samples from two companies (Dunlop and Talalay blended latex).  Both the dunlop samples were 16ILD.  But one was much firmer than the other.  Although both were firmer then the Talalay soft (20-22ILD), the softest dunlop sample was surprisingly soft...very close in feel to the Medium Talalay. 

the main reason we do not see a lot of dunlop toppers being sold is for a myriad of reasons.

1. Talalay latex toppers are easier to find.

2. Talalay latex can be made softer than dunlop, and being that the #1 reason for a topper is to make a mattress feel soft it seems like a logical choice to keep the cost reasonable.

3. There are few companies that produce softer dunlop rubbers, as it is challenging to make on a consistent basis.  there are a few companies that injection mould their dunlop rubber cores and they have the ability to make dunlop that is almost as soft as a lower ILD talalay.  most dunlop rubber is not made this way and is why most people find it to be fairly firm...although with all things there are sometimes exceptions...not sure if Savvyrest is or not to be fair though. 

I find op blunt but honest and not negative. Why don't you tell all of us which dunlop maker latex sample (that you got that) you found to be of medium feel similar to talalay latex?

Savvyrest softest dunlop is 20-22ILd and is not soft.

Exactly, savvyrest prices are very steep, there is no return policy and exchanges are only for 90 days and you pay all of shipping, and the dunlop latex is made in India. And even when 16ILd dunlop the lowest rating ILd is firm some insist that dunlop can be as soft as softest talalay.  And almost 40% of reviews here on savvyrest are not positive. So much for experts feeling sorry for savvyrest and one poster calling me names like negative person, when it is he who did not keep his word - read post by me asking him for help when he visited sleepez. This savvyrest person tried to mislead telling me that some latex maker is actually a wholesaler and gets its latex from different generic makers! Like one of the reviewer said the savvyrest guy began to bash his competitor and that was the first warning sign. ditto for me.

and here in lies a problem.  I would probably agree with you 100% if you mean not as soft as say a low ILD talalay latex sample.  however there are some people that will find this to be 'soft'. 

There is no science to 'soft' because it is based on subjective feel. 

Everyone here already knows that LI probably makes the best Talalay latex in the world or some of the best.  No one here would say the latex is inferior...but what if I were to say out of the few hundred latex mattress I sold the only ones that ever had an issue with sagging or softening rubber used blended Talalay from LI?