So my wife and I did the research, read loads of threads on this excellent site, then plumped for the SleepEZ 10,000 all Dunlop. We wanted latex for customisation and longevity. We chose Dunlop because we tried a Savvy Rest all Dunlop combo at a local retailer and both really liked the bed but not the price so we tried to recreate it at SleepEZ prices. We've got firm, medium and soft on each side so plenty of options. We're two weeks in and my wife now hates the bed and wants to send it back. I'm still willing to try and make it work but her will is stronger than mine... I would like to share our experience and then ask for a bit of advice. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. We're both side sleepers who toss and turn in our old, saggy, sprung mattress. The first 3 nights we put the mattress on the floor before the foundation arrived. We'd ordered the slatted foundation from SleepEZ because our old bed was a British queen size so we were starting from scratch. We set it up firm, medium soft on both sides as that's what we'd liked on the Savvy Rest. I lay on the latex before we put the cover on and it felt good. As soon as the cover was on it stiffened up and became far more hard and rubbery, nothing like the Savvy Rest. My first night was OK although I woke up with hip and lower back pain. My wife was neither comfy or pain-free. The next night we unzipped the top cover and laid a thin blanket over the latex and beneath the sheet. I had a very comfortable night's sleep - I stayed on my side all night whereas I usually go side - back - elbow in the ribs for snoring - side again etc. However, I still had a lot of hip and back pain in the morning. My wife preferred it this way, but still didn't like it. Spoke to Shaun who suggested unzipping the top cover but leaving it on the top. This worked for me - it felt like the Savvy Rest and I had another good night but pain in the morning. My wife - no change. We also tried a few different combinations to soften her side up. The next night the foundation had arrived. The mattress felt hard and rubbery again even with the cover unzipped. I guessed that this was because the foundation is very firm whereas the floor is pretty bouncy and creaky. I had a terrible night tossing and turning although no pain in the morning. My wife's night was even worse. The next few nights were all the same, whatever combinations we tried, until she snapped and got the old Ikea mattress we were replacing on to the floor and slept on that. Spoke to Shaun again. I should say that the service from SleepEZ has been excellent and Shaun is a pleasure to deal with. He suggested sending me a soft talalay topper and to explore 3 further options. 1 - use it as a topper ; 2 - swap it for the soft dunlop inside the cover; 3 - put it between the foundation and the mattress to soften the impact of the foundation. The topper arrives tomorrow. Meanwhile we've been exploring other options should we send the mattress back. We've tried the Sealy Springfree latex range and we're quite impressed. You get 9" of latex plus varying depths of cushy foam on top depending on your preference. We like the plush model which only has 2 1/2" on top of the latex. You can't customise it though. It's pretty much the same as the Purembrace range they do for Macy's but much cheaper. My wife says we'll wait for the topper before making a final decision but only to see if we like it as a topper, not because she thinks it will somehow redeem the mattress. She is sleeping on the SleepEZ configured soft-medium-soft. This is the only way to mitigate the effect of the foundation and she finds it slightly less uncomfortable than our old mattress. The other side is a concrete slab masquerading as firm-firm-medium so I'm on the old mattress on the floor. Thanks for sticking with me this far. I now turn to the questions that I am hoping you kind people will be able to help us with. First, does anyone have any other suggestions or combinations for when the topper arrives? Shaun's 3 options all make sense to me but I'll try anything. Second - that foundation. It makes the mattress feel so firm that I'm wondering whether we'll need to get a box spring to go on top of it even if we get a Springfree. The alternative is to put a soft layer under the mattress to have the same effect. I've seen posts on this site where it's suggested that a box spring is unnecessary for latex mattresses. Ignoring the firmness for a moment, I'd like to know whether there's any other downside to putting a mattress directly on top of the firm slatted foundation? For example, because it doesn't absorb any movement, does it shorten the life of the mattress? Finally, does anyone have any experience of the Sealy Springfree mattresses? Thanks for reading, and we'd be really grateful for any advice or suggestions. |
(Disclaimer: I have no experience ) It seems the mattress is too firm, at least on the top. Try the talay topper, though I suspect, it will still feel a bit hard. I would recommend the following: Put on a soft eggcrate highquality foam (with the bumps facing up) on top of the mattress; eg: http://www.foambymail.com/LECQueen.html (go for the medium HD36 foam, 2.5" layer Put on a mattress topper on top of everything; eg. http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/6880,91842_Lauren-by-Ralph-Lauren-Cabana-Stripe-Mattress-Pad-Queen-.html This will provide a soft layer on top; and with the latex mattress below, you should have good firm support. |
Thanks Mr Pointy. I've been trying really hard not to bore my friends with my mattress issues and Mrs Slopey is just fed up with the whole thing. It's great to have somewhere to get it off my chest and receive a sympathetic response. I'm hoping the talalay topper will solve the problem on the top of the mattress but if it doesn't I can try your suggestions. I'm convinced though that most of the problem is at the bottom, not the top. On the floor I had it firm-firm-soft and I liked it, although it was a little too cushy. I sank in just the right amount and then it held me there. I barely moved all night. The same combination on the foundation is stiffer and pushes back like a sumo wrestler. I'm no physicist but this must be because none of my weight is being absorbed by the foundation and so the mattress is carrying the entire burden. As it's rubber, some of that downward force simply comes back at me. The soft-medium-soft set up partially deals with this because the bottom soft layer acts like a box spring would. I'm not that heavy (190lbs). The main point is that Mrs Slopey wants to send the SleepEZ back in any event, so I'm worried that any mattress will feel too hard on the foundation and I'll have to get a box spring, which means I've pretty much wasted the money on the foundation as it's too big and expensive to return. |
Actually your entire weight is being supported by mattress, and the foundation is supporting your weight+ that of mattress. Or in the case of the floor, the floor is supportiing weigtht of you+mattress. If you are 190lbs, the mattress must push back at you with 190lb force (you will keep sinking until an equal and opposite force is applied); its just how well that force is being distributed - eg, I could push ypu with my hand and nothing will happen to you, but if my hand is holding a needle, well... Hence with regard to the foundation, I expect that you floor might have been slightly concave (like a very minor hammock), leading to the mattress coccooning you guys more, making it feel "softer"; or perhaps the foundation is convex, or some combination thereoff. For instance, it may be that some of the floorboards are depressed, hence the mattress sinks in those places, creating a minor hammock like effect. You said that it felt a "little too cushy". I think having the eggcrate foam will create a similar effect, allowing you to sink in more before the resistance of the mattress is encountered. For the topper, you may also want to look at "cuddle bed" which has been mentioned here, I was not aware of it when I suggested the topper from STP (which I ordered myself yesterday). |
I learned from myself that just changing a latex core by 2 ILD changes the feel for me as to being too hard or too soft and that is why I had to do many exchanges. But I also learned I like firm under a soft topper so I have cushion but firmness underneath. I have a FloBed and three layers of the latex cores on top with a topper. I feel the frame will be fine for you to keep as long as there is cushion on the top of the latex bed you are considering since you are a side sleeper. I love my slat box frame and I Like the 10" legs on it. I also love my latex cover. Be careful of trying another bed at first unless you plan to take a nap in the store for a few hours since too soft feels great at first but then you wake up with back pain. too firm, hurts the shoulders I also found out. I really like my Talalay Latex Cores since both sides are about the same firmness. But then again I only tried a Dunlap Latex Topper that was too firm for me since I sleep on the side. |
Slopey, I have a king Sealy Springfree mattress--the plush model. Mine is about 5 years old. Sealy makes it's own latex; the first 2 layers are dunlop and the final 2 inch layer is talalay. Then there is some cheap PU foam layers on the very top under the nice cover. I know because I opened it up. I wanted to see why it had started dipping under where my husband and I sleep but not the sides and middle. I wouldn't recommend it at this point in my experience. I don't know what kind of quality controls they have in the manufacture of their latex. It seemed the dips were in the dunlop latex (which I know is not supposed to happen). Its quite weird. You can see the dips in the morning and they are not as bad at night. If we are away a couple days, there are no dips--it's even again. Even with all foam and 2" of talalay the mattress was still too hard until I bought a HQ eggcrate and put it on top. It now sleeps pretty well and II wake up pain free except my neck which I think is due to the wrong pillow height. I hope that helps and you find out what is best for you both. |
Thanks Lynn and Sabra - do you have your Springfree on a solid foundation or a boxspring? Sealy's newish Purembrace line at Macys is supposedly 100% synthetic talalay, but less of it and more cheapo foam. Perhaps it has better quality latex than the Springfree but I'm put off by the extra foam and the higher price... ho hum... looks like I'm on the floor for a bit longer. The effect of the foundation is still confounding me. I understand the basic physics of it as Mr Pointy explained but it's the dramatic difference in the feel of the mattress that I don't get. I didn't check what the Savvy Rest I tried in the store was resting on but according to their website they only put them on solid foundations, not boxsprings, which they claim will contribute to sagging, so I assume the store model was on something similar to the foundation I got from SleepEZ. Also, Savvy Rest's soft dunlop is 28-30 ILD which is closer to SleepEZ's medium. SleepEZ soft dunlop is 20 ILD so if they're both on the same kind of foundation the SleepEZ should feel signficantly softer, so why doesn't it!? I suppose it could be the quality of the latex but SleepEZ's credentials, as testified to many times on this website, suggest otherwise. The talalay topper arrives tomorrow so I'll post an update on how that works out with options 1-3. |
I'll be very interested to hear about how your mattress feels with the talalay used as a topper, as that will give you essentially the same setup that I'm planning to order from Sleep EZ (see my thread here). Please do give us an update, and thank you for the detailed report of your experience. You have me wondering whether I should go back to considering a Savvy Rest, which was second on my list only because the 3 layer Savvy Rest costs about the same as a 4 layer Sleep EZ. This message was modified Oct 6, 2008 by eudaemon
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Mine is on a boxspring |
I promised an update on our post-topper experience. First, the topper itself (2.8" of talalay, 22 ILD I think) feels very nice and cushy. I read some posts on this site which described talalay as springier than dunlop with more push-back but my experience is quite the opposite. The topper feels much softer than the 20 ILD dunlop layer although slightly less supportive. I guess this proves how important it is to try both kinds out for yourself if you can. We re-set the mattress to firm-medium-soft, zipped it up and then put the topper on. This felt far too soft and we sank way down. Understandable when you think we were lying on just under 6" of soft latex. We then tried the soft, firm, medium (bottom to top) with the topper on. This felt much better. I'm convinced the base needs a soft layer directly above it. We slept last night on this combo. No surprises that Mrs Slopey didn't like it, although she thought it was better than before. I found it pretty comfortable, did not have any pain in the morning but... I tossed and turned all night and felt (and looked) like a zombie all day. We're going to stick with this set-up tonight but I'm almost certain we're going to send the whole thing back. Mrs S just can't make it work for her and I haven't actually had a good night's sleep on it yet. We may keep the topper, depending on what other mattress we get instead. Maybe go the firm spring plus topper route. I don't want to put anyone off latex mattresses or SleepEZ who, as I said before, have been brilliant to deal with. Other threads on this site prove that people find their beds very comfortable, and I'm still convinced I can find a set-up that I like, but perhaps its not for us. We'll sleep on it for the next few weeks anyway until we get a new mattress so who know we may grow to like it, but time is running out. |
Also try the following config (bottom to top): Firm, medium, topper (dont use the soft layer at all). |