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Well we took the plunge and ordered from Sleep Ez.com their model 10000 Dunlop in two Twin XL and two Reverie Deluxe Adjustable Beds With Wireless Control and Massage in Twin XL from Olejo Stores.com (great prices with lift gate shipping included). The mattresses are due to arrive by UPS this Friday and the adjustable beds next week sometime by freight. Why I went with the sleep Ez is essentially the good ratings, 90 return policy, decent pricing and Shawn who was helpful and patient. If it turns out we can't stand latex we can always return them and look at another route; or if one of us likes it and the other does not that can be remedied as well due to the Twin XL flexibility. I choose XFIRM/FIRM/MEDIUM and the wife choose FIRM/MEDIUM/SOFT in Dunlop. I'll let everyone know how it works out. Although i suspect having slept on memory foam for eight years I may end up adding a M.F. topper later. As for the adjustable beds, it does not take much time in one to realize just how much they can enhance in bed reading and TV activities. Thanks to everyone who assisted, especially Phoenix for all of the advise and coaching. I would have done more testing in stores but my wife made it clear she was not going to spend her holiday time off going to mattress stores and factories with me. Also, I need to get back to my real hobby which is furniture making; this holiday vacation i will be working on two night stands to add to the bedroom suite I have built so far. |
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Well everything arrived in great condition. The Latex looked nice, it is indeed "Latex Green" although the tags did not identify if it was a blend or pure natural latex. It went together well, sort of funny to see how the Latex practically bursts out of tight plastic it is in once cut open. Covers are nice and attractive but seem closer to 1/2" than an 1", but this could be due to the extreme compression in which these are shipped. Anyways that is just as well as I really did want to be as close to the latex as possible to get a feel for it. Our foundation is poplar slats spaced around 2.5" apart with a box beam running up the center under them for support; the adjustable bases have not yet arrived. Well, I'm glad I ordered twin xl instead of a king as we previously had. How I faired; although I did toss and turn a fair amount during the night, I woke up pain free for the first morning in months. This does not seem to have the same pressure relieving properties of the memory foam topper we were using (even thought it was around 7 years old, although I do seem to be responding well to its firmer attributes. My side is Xfirm/firm/med. How the wife faired, not so well; she woke with stiffness she normally does not have. She said the new mattress is not as soft as our previous coil/memory foam topper combo. Her side is firm/med/soft; so I am not sure where one goes from there except to perhaps swap the soft Dunlop layer for a Soft layer of Talalay. So this is what I am going to do....absolutely nothing for a few days...:) I realize that this could also be us adjusting to the new sleep surfaces as well, we may feel differently in a week. I still have the memory foam topper and can throw that on to see if that addresses her stiffness and my tossing and turning issues. The Dunlop is pretty stiff stuff, but speaking for myself, if I can wake up each day without pain, I would not mind a bit of tossing and turning during the night. I felt quite refreshed.... I am curious, how many of you purchased an all latex mattress and ended up adding a memory foam topper, and if so did it do the trick for you. Even though I do have one to experiment, being that it is quite old I am not sure if it would even come close to duplicating a new one in terms of softness (a quality the wife likes a lot).
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| I agree that you should take a little more time to adjust to the new sleep surface. My all latex mattress consists of a very firm bottom layer, followed by firm and medium layers of Talalay. I wanted just a bit more pressure relief so I added just 1 inch of Sensus 5 lbs memory foam from Overstock and am loving it so far. I still have the firm support of the latex with some added pressure relief from the memory foam. It may sleep a little warmer when summer arrives, but I'll face that issue if and when it happens. |
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Hopefully things will start to improve for your wife. I never got any pain when I got my rubber mattres (6" firm natural dunlop core, 2" natural talalay top)...I had a hard time falling asleep on it for a week or so. Latex Green only makes 100% NR cores, so no worries that it could be a blended product. The cores are definitely firm but the product is top notch. |
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I would also give it a few nights before you do any exchanges as the latex does take getting used to ... especially coming from a memory foam background. FWIW, the "soft" dunlop was too firm for me as well (it would probably feel like a 28 or so in Talalay) and there is quite a difference between that and the Talalay. The soft Talalay that sleepez has listed is 22-24 ILD which is in the upper range of soft bordering on medium. Probably the "closest" latex feel to a typical memory foam mattress would be 14 ILD talalay latex over firm (say 36 or higher) but even the 14 will have more "pushback" than memory foam and you wouldn't sleep "in" the mattress quite as much. Also FWIW ... when people typically describe their discomfort as "stiffness" it is usually not a function of pressure relief so much as muscle tension. This too could be from several things (including a different sleeping position from the latex vs the memory foam). The "standardized" layout that your wife has would be firmer on top and possibly softer underneath than many memory foam mattresses and there may be some "muscle memory" of a different sleeping position on memory foam. If I was to add memory foam to "take the edge off" I would make sure it was no more than 1-2" (as suggested by Mark) since more than that over a softer latex could cause alignment issues. This would make quite a difference in the "feel" of the mattress even though the actual pressure relief between that and soft (14-18) talalay wouldn't be much different. Phoenix This message was modified Dec 18, 2010 by Phoenix
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Yes, dunlop can be pretty firm stuff. Personally, I don't think I would like it as the top comfort level. I use talalay and 1-2" of memory foam. So, stick with it a while, and maybe try it with the memory foam as well. My guess is that your wife would probably prefer the top (and possibly middle) layers to be talalay. That might be the case for you as well, but less clear. If it doesn't work after a while, I would consider getting 1 soft and 1 medium layer. Then you will have some more options to try. Changing out your wifes soft for a talalay soft, maybe her medium for a talalay medium, your medium for a medium talalay, etc. They have 100% naturual talalay if you are trying to avoid any synthetic. |
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Also FWIW ... the LG soft is listed on the Latex Green website as 13-18 kgf which would translate into 28-40 lbf. The testing method may be slightly different from ILD but it would be significantly firmer than soft Talalay or even most medium Talalay. Phoenix |
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You say you have a wood slat foundation but why do you need a foundation if you are using the adjustable beds?..
Do the adjustable beds not serve as the foundation? |
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Bahstonsox..............The adjustable beds arrive next week, so I am using the bed the way it is currently set-up which is with slats... It's weird, I just got done building the bed frame and spending an extra $120 on the poplar for the slats, only to decide on an adjustable a few weeks later. So when the platforms arrive out come the slats. |
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Gotcha.. Two twins are basically just a split king more or less right?.. |
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Two Twin Xl's (not twins) approximate the size of a Eastern king. What sold us on separate adjustable beds is the ability for them to operate independently; it's unlikely you would both be comfortable in exactly the same positions, and even if that is so if your active minor pulls and strains will dictate otherwise from time to time. We in our 50's and married for 33 years, even so the idea of separates struck an emotional response initially as we viewed it as a potential to interfere with intimacy. I suspect this will not be the case, at least not if I have anything to say about it :) This message was modified Dec 20, 2010 by Bioman
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