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I am going through the agony of finding the right bed for my wife and I. We just couldn't take our soft S&F any longer and purchased a Simmons world class Firm Pillow top...Cape is the name I think...... It's sagging in less than a month and my wife is having issues with pressure points.....This bed is too hard for her and good for me except the nice whole I am in already....My question. I went to the store a laid on a Tepurpedic for about a hour. Its the pillow top Celeberty......I like it. Seems to be supportive yet soft....My wife liked it as well, but........ She thinks we should buy and likes the newer softside waterbeds with the zipper tops to remove and replace top inserts with foam or latex...... Why don't more people buy these? It seems nice and for $2000 you can buy a dual core king bed with all the goodies.......I like the Tempur, but it will cost us about $2600 more with the Simmons comfort exchange......Any help or opinions out there????? |
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I'm damn sorry I got into the latex, mem foam thing without just fixing my waterbed and topping it with foam.. I miss it. Dont get me wrong, I've learned a lot here, and would have still made 1 foam bed, but Imjay is right, |
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KITTY KAT CLAWS - Whoa! Cat claws?? That's one question I can't help with! Risk of Puncture by claws (or other sharp objects) will vary depending on how the each person sets up their waterbed mattress. 22 years ago we were younger and simply put sheets on the mattress and slept comfortably. Over the years and as we got older we have added more to our personal formula that gives us a lot of comfort. It's a good idea to put a layer or two between the humans and the mattress vinyl - body perspiration/body oils over time can break down/damage vinyl. We now first put a nice mattress cover on the mattress surface. On top of that we have the 3 inch 4.3 Cloud9 topper. Over that we have sheets and, finally, a comforter. It would be difficult, IMO, for a cat to get a claw anywhere near our mattress vinyl. MATTRESS SIZED - waterbed mattresses are made to all the standard mattress dimensions. We use a California King and the dimensions for it as well as regular king, queen, and twin all seem to be the same as the dimensions of other types of mattresses. HEATER? - We've always used a heater and usually have it set at about 85 degrees however with the mattress pad and then thick three inch topper we have tested sleep without the heater and don't feel much of a difference. Without layers between you and a vinyl waterbed mattress you will probably be cold and not comfortable. Your body heat will warm a regular mattress but - again, IMO, a waterbed mattress will suck heat from your body without a heater so if you choose to not put a heater under the mattress or to leave it off (as we usually do in the summertime) you will need some insulation layering between your body and the cool waters of the mattress. BED FRAME EXPENSE - There are all kinds of waterbed frames on the market - modern, plain and simple and antique styles and we have seen prices in a nearby store for $200 for a simple solid wood pine frame with low pedestal to over $1000 for a fancy headboard and a 14 inch pedestal with storage drawers. We bought an oak bed with a nice but relatively simple headboard and 14 inch pedestal with underbed storage 22 yrs ago for, I recall, around $800.00. Frames are simple to assemble and even modify if you are at all handy and comfortable with simple tools - For example, we decided we needed slightly taller frame to allow extra height for our foam topper and I figured out how to add 2 inches all around the frame - pretty easy to do and can't be seen under the padded rails we have. Please understand that we are not trying to say that a waterbed mattress will be superior to all other types for the comfort of all other people. What we are trying to share is what we have learned from our personal experience and 22 yrs of satisfaction is a pretty large amount of experience for a user testimonial. The waterbed mattresses of today have new engineering and design unknow back on the early 70s yet many people seem to think that they haven't improved in the last 40 years and that is simply not true. Waterbed mattresses are truly 100% motionless/waveless and different models have varying amounts of extra firmness and support. Compared to all other conventional mattress types they are inexpensive ($300 for our latest) yet come with 20 yr warranties (ours has 100% replacement warranty for first five years and pro-rated for remaining 15 years). There are no springs to sag and fail and no foam to indent and fail. BEST of all is firmness is easily adjusted as is temperature. Our last mattress was seven years old and in seeming perfect shape - we replaced it as we wanted a bit more wavelessness and support and as we only paid $250 for it we felt no "pain" simply tossing it and buying a newer better one. It's hard for me to admit that I qualify as a Senior Citizen and my bride is right behind me in that regard yet we both find our waterbed mattress with the topper to be supportive and firm without ever being hard and we don't think you can find another mattress of any type with topper combo for under $500 with all of the features and comfort that we have found sowe try to tell people as best we can that a waterbed mattress is certainly worth a tryout. Best of Luck and Good Sleeping!! This message was modified Apr 3, 2009 by imjay
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imjay wrote: MATTRESS SIZED - waterbed mattresses are made to all the standard mattress dimensions. We use a California King and the dimensions for it as well as regular king, queen, and twin all seem to be the same as the dimensions of other types of mattresses. King standard: 78" by 80" King waterbed: haven't found one Cal king standard: 72" by 84" Cal king waterbed: 72" by 84" Queen standard: 60" by 80" Queen waterbed: 60" by 84" Full standard: 54" by 75" or XL 54" by 80" Full waterbed: hard to find Twin standard: 39" by 75" or XL 39" by 80" Twin waterbed: haven't found one Super single waterbed: 48" by 84" Softside waterbed mattresses are the same dimensions as standard. People under 200 lbs might find softside waterbeds a choice to consider. |
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Okay I stand corrected on the issue of size - we have a Cal. King mattress which matches other types of Ca. King relative to size. Sorry I posted incorrect information relative to size and appreciate the correction. How nice that other sizes of waterbed mattresses - like queen - are bigger than other types with that same size name. Nothing wrong with bigger - to most Americans bigger amounts to better!! - LOL but it's true! I stand by everything else posted. The hardside waterbed mattress - in our opinion - is a very acceptable competitor to all other types of mattress in areas of reliability, comfort, and price and also in our opinion superior due to ease of ease in adjusting firmness and temperature control if it is desired. We think our over 22 yrs of waterbed personal experience gives us a credible basis for testifying. Best wishes to all and Good Sleeping!! |
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If I had to choose between a waterbed and a tempurpedic, I would go waterbed. Tempurpedic is a foam that is temperature sensitive, you sink into it and are not supported, and it can cause sweating...and is damaged by sweat! I think that kind of bed is mostly hype. There are new memory foams on the market now that make nice toppers, that aren't temperature sensitive and aren't sweat-causing. I think that memory foam should be used only as a layer for softness and give, but not for the whole mattress. In my travels asking people about beds(when I get on a subject I am ON IT until I get answers), I have found too many people who have had back problems caused or made worse by Tempurpedic mattresses. I also found that many people think that the more you pay for something, the better it is. So, their backs get worse, but it can't be their mattresses!!! As far as paying...I don't think there is any connection between how much someone pays and comfort and longevity. If anything, it may be a converse relationship. Kait |
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I purchased the Tempurpedic Celeberty and have slept on it for 4 nights. Love it so far......I am sleeping better than ever.....81% of the people who buy this like it. Not bad numbers if you ask me. I have 90 days on it to hate it..... If so......Water bed will be the next purchase. |
| I can tell you about tempur- yes we have had our king bed replaced 3 times-yes, they honor their warranty all right, but the de-gassing or off-gassing on the replaceement can kill you getting to the point where it does not emit choking fumes. I don't know how much you both weigh and if you sleep on your side, but they simply have not been holding up for us. A month off-gassing and then in 6 week the thing collapsed to where we could make a claim. But we are heavy and live in a rain forrest in Hawaii. They do honor thier warranty--but I think that Birgada or one of the other made in the USA knock-offs would probably be as good. Now we have gone latex, which is a bit like sleeping on jello, supportive, bouncy--and it does not smell!!! We will see how long it holds up. |
| Tempurpedic is so costly simply because their return rate is over 20%. That's unheard of in this industry. Personally I think a latex mattress, 6" core + 2" soft topper and zippered quilted cover is the best way to go. The cover is the same that were put on the original soft sided waterbeds back in the 70's. I know this to be true because I worked in the factory in California that originated the first dual chambered (his and her) soft sided waterbed. In fact it was my idea to do this because my wife was pregnant with our first child and I would disturb her every time I rolled over. Splitting the water mattress into two halves and running a foam separater up the middle solved that problem and the "split king" was born. It became our biggest seller. Now that latex is back, it truly the best way to go. |