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Seems Costco is starting to sell another memory foam brand online - SleepScience. They have a promotion going on and you can get a king mattress for $999 + tax, looks like not a bad deal. Any thoughts about it? I had mixed results with Costco's NovaForm. While I really like how the foam mattress feels it had a soft spot right under my butt on one side where I sleep, not sure if it was a manufacturing foam imperfection or it just became softer "naturally" after one week's of use, anyhow it's giving me pain so I'm in the process of returning it. Wondering if I should bother with another memory foam mattress or it is just going to be the same. I'm 190lbs, 6'4". This message was modified Aug 31, 2008 by waldo
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| I've been searching and finally found a new bed. After about a week, I came to the realization that, my current bed before it degraded was perfect, so why the heck am I spending so much time trying to figure out if these new beds and "methodologies" in their construction would work for my body or not? So I researched the best I could on what came closest to my previous bed (a Diamond mattress) and just bought a new Diamond. Been on it for 4 nights now, and NO pain when waking up. All this to say... the reverse is true as well. If memory foam (or in your case NovaForm) isn't working, I'd suggest going with a different bed construction, not memory foam. |
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I hear you but I think I just was unlucky with NovaForm and got a defective mattress. While waiting for Costco to pick up my NovaForm I slept on the firm side for almost 2 weeks and found it to be rather comfortable, not much sagging under my weight, and no pain in the morning, good sleep too. Also it didn't get any softer after 2 weeks. And the other side is still soft and painful. So I'm contemplating to give Sleep Science a try, it seem to be a better quality mattress than NovaForm, but of course you never know until you get one... This message was modified Sep 14, 2008 by waldo
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I have had that problem with ALL foam in mattresses I've EVER tried, some last weeks, most average 3 1/2 months and then BAM, low back pain. I'm only 5'6" and 120# so it isn't about height and weight. Foam is basically a soft plastic/rubber with air bubbles inside of it. Every time you compress it some of the bubbles pop into other bubbles and the original firmness starts to disappear. Latex seems to be less like this than other foams; I had a Latex(Talay)mattress that took a couple of years to break down. What I don't like about foam is that it simply sinks under weight...it does not push back to support. Simply gives and sits there. I think the right spring mattress is the best bet in the long run. If this new mattress doesn't last either, then you'll know. First air mattresses were hot, then memory foam mattresses were all the rage, now the newest thing is latex. Interesting. Kait |
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Kait wrote: I have had that problem with ALL foam in mattresses I've EVER tried, some last weeks, most average 3 1/2 months and then BAM, low back pain. I'm only 5'6" and 120# so it isn't about height and weight. Foam is basically a soft plastic/rubber with air bubbles inside of it. Every time you compress it some of the bubbles pop into other bubbles and the original firmness starts to disappear. Latex seems to be less like this than other foams; I had a Latex(Talay)mattress that took a couple of years to break down. What I don't like about foam is that it simply sinks under weight...it does not push back to support. Simply gives and sits there. I think the right spring mattress is the best bet in the long run. If this new mattress doesn't last either, then you'll know. First air mattresses were hot, then memory foam mattresses were all the rage, now the newest thing is latex. Interesting. Kait It's not about height or weight--it's about orthopedics. Foam does not provide rigid support, which is what many people with lower back pain need. The only thing that does is an innerspring mattress based on one of the varients of the original Bonnell spring unit. Of course the major downside to innerspring mattresses is pressure points. You have to have some kind of foam over the springs to make the mattress comfortable. The trouble is manufacturers layer on so much cheap low density PU foam that it virtually eliminates any support you're getting from the spring unit. FYI, there's nothing new about latex. My whole family slept on latex back in the mid sixties. But they made them differently then. It was Dunlop latex, which is denser and more supportive at softer ILDs than Talalay. They were much thinner than they are now. Only about four and a half inches thick. And they were mated to a box spring. That was the most wonderful mattress I've ever owned. I slept on it for 20 years before it started to disintegrate. I bought an innerspring mattress to replace it but I always missed my old latex mattress. Years later when latex made a come back I tried a Talalay mattress and couldn't sleep on it at all. It was way too pushy but it wasn't rigid and it didn't give my back the kind of support it needed. I replaced it with another innerspring mattress. Even though it's supposed to be firm it still has too much foam over the springs for my liking. And now that it's softened up and lost what little support it originally had I like it even less. I'm on the verge of performing mattress surgery to pair down the foam to a minimum and replace it with better materials. One trend I'd like to see proliferate is the modular hybrid mattress. An open system like the latex mattress kit where you can build a mattress customized to your own personal needs with interchangeable components: Spring unit, high quality comfort layers--enclosed in a zippered cover. Are you listening mattress manufacturers? You can customize a computer, why not a mattress? This message was modified Sep 17, 2008 by cloud9
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Dear "9"; I agree whole-heartedly. First, let me mention that my back issues are caused by the bed. When I sleep on a mattress that has supportive coils I sleep well and no back pain. Takes two nights max to be pain free. I live in central CA and there is a bed maker fairly close by who makes his beds like you mentioned. There is one in the showroom that has a Bonnell unit and a zippered cover so you can pick out/adjust your foam. This guy knows the ins and outs of mattress making. He's built several for us over the years, and really stands behind his stuff. I went through the buy-return-giveaway-mattress thing after the Tallalay latex mattress I bought from him(he still chides me about it, would have fixed it/taken it back in return even a few years after I bought it...where else can you find that?!)failed my back. I just had to shop around to realize what I had right here. My last purchase went to him in the first week (Stress-O-Pedic) as it was overly soft and not supportive. His bed maker removed the original foam and beefed up the coils, remade it very nice and comfortable. But I still had some low back pain when I woke up in the morning so there was something still amiss. After several adjustments, finally culminating with me opening up and performing my own surgery, I have realized that my issue is the Marshall unit(individually wrapped coil) not supporting me enough. Rather than messing around with this anymore, I am going to have him make me the mattress exactly as you described. He does carry a nice PU foam that has been working well in this bed for a year now. I'd like to see how some Dunlop(sp?) latex feels too, but not sure he carries it. Kait This message was modified Sep 17, 2008 by Kait
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| Am I right in thinking that I may be well better off getting a cheap firm spring mattress with minimal padding (if such a thing really exist) and a foam/latex topper for it instead of a full foam mattress? |
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Kait, I too live in No. CA, can I ask the name of your bed maker in central CA? Is it Bay Beds in Santa Cruz?<BR>thanks! This message was modified Sep 18, 2008 by justjulie19
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Kait wrote: Dear "9"; I agree whole-heartedly. First, let me mention that my back issues are caused by the bed. When I sleep on a mattress that has supportive coils I sleep well and no back pain. Takes two nights max to be pain free. I live in central CA and there is a bed maker fairly close by who makes his beds like you mentioned. There is one in the showroom that has a Bonnell unit and a zippered cover so you can pick out/adjust your foam. This guy knows the ins and outs of mattress making. He's built several for us over the years, and really stands behind his stuff. I went through the buy-return-giveaway-mattress thing after the Tallalay latex mattress I bought from him(he still chides me about it, would have fixed it/taken it back in return even a few years after I bought it...where else can you find that?!)failed my back. I just had to shop around to realize what I had right here. My last purchase went to him in the first week (Stress-O-Pedic) as it was overly soft and not supportive. His bed maker removed the original foam and beefed up the coils, remade it very nice and comfortable. But I still had some low back pain when I woke up in the morning so there was something still amiss. After several adjustments, finally culminating with me opening up and performing my own surgery, I have realized that my issue is the Marshall unit(individually wrapped coil) not supporting me enough. Rather than messing around with this anymore, I am going to have him make me the mattress exactly as you described. He does carry a nice PU foam that has been working well in this bed for a year now. I'd like to see how some Dunlop(sp?) latex feels too, but not sure he carries it. Kait Kait, Isn't it amazing how the right support can make all the difference? I'm really jealous. I once joked with BeddyBye that I was going to move to Santa Cruz just so I could buy a mattress from her mattress guy. I live in the Los Angeles area and you would think there would be some place like that in this sprawling metropolis, but so far I haven't found it. So I am about to remake my own mattress. Of course I'll post the results on the forum. But hey, I've got the right kind of innerspring unit--I've got latex, I've got memory foam, I've got HR. It's GOTTA be better! (Now if I can only get my hands on a big zipper....) |