Why Latex does not work for people...
Mar 31, 2011 12:53 PM
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One word.

 

PUSHBACK.

Yes latex pushes back against your body and there are many people who don't find that comfortable.

Imagine sleeping on a surface that is pushing back against you all night. I hate to say this but that would not be a comfortable feeling.

In fact that creates pressure.  So Latex does not lead to pressure point relief.

This message was modified Mar 31, 2011 by xyz1ab
Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #24 May 29, 2011 3:45 PM
Location: L.A. area
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Phoebe2011, I would definitely go with a Flobeds in your situation. If you could send a piece of your mattress to flobeds with the info from the Tag or whatever you have on it, then they could probably approximate the feel you want. Flobeds will a) give you the chance to try it with various combinations of firmnesses, and b) will give you a refund minus shipping if you return it (Check their current policy, that's how it was a few years ago last time I checked). Go to http://www.flobeds.com/latex/index.htm .

I bought my latex at various places and created my own mattress but if you want an all latex mattress with no springs then I recommend flobeds, especially since you are concerned about spending money and ending up with an "albatross".

Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #25 Feb 3, 2012 7:22 PM
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xyz1ab wrote:

One word.

 

 

PUSHBACK.

Yes latex pushes back against your body and there are many people who don't find that comfortable.

Imagine sleeping on a surface that is pushing back against you all night. I hate to say this but that would not be a comfortable feeling.

In fact that creates pressure.  So Latex does not lead to pressure point relief.


I know this is an old post, but when people come across this I do want them to realize this is completely false statement. Latex does not push back against you any more than any other foam. Actualy Latex, HD Foam, Memory foam, Visco foam, etc... All push back against you with exactly the same force and it doesnt matter what density or compression ratio the foam is. They all push back against you with exactly the same force. The amount of force is determined by gravity. if you put 50lbs on top of any of those foams they will all sink until it has 50lbs pressure pushing back. and it works the same with all weights. Once it has 50lbs pressure pushing back you will stop sinking. How far you sink will depend on the compression ratio of the foam (ILD)

Push back for latex is a term created by poly foam manufactures to make their foam sound better and is just simply a false statement.

A way to test it. Take memory foam of 30ILD and take latex of 30ILD and apply 30 pounds per sq inch of pressure. If they both sink 1" then they have the same pushback.

Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #26 Feb 3, 2012 11:59 PM
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I still LOVE my Flobed Latex Kit mattress with three split  layers of XFirm over XFirm over Super Firm that I put a 1" soft topper over.  It looks like a real mattress with the zippered cover and my all natural latex pillows also make my sleep enjoyable. I wish I had found out about this bed years ago. I do not feel any push back from my bed and to me it the the most comfortable bed. But I did get frustrated trying out the layers and finally getting it right but now I see it was well worth it.  I also like the fact that if I met someone who would like his side less firm, I can buy a new latex layers since I have had my bed now since May 2007.  The XFirm layers and the topper is 100% natural Talalay Latex but the Super Firm latex cores are blended Talalay Latex. I have terrible allergies and have had no problems with my bed.
Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #27 Feb 4, 2012 8:25 AM
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Lynn2006 wrote:

 The XFirm layers and the topper is 100% natural Talalay Latex but the Super Firm latex cores are blended Talalay Latex.


I'm glad to hear you love your flobed. I'm patiently wait the arrival of mine.

Just to let anyone reading this know, Latex International now makes the super firm in 100% natural talalay. I just ordered my new flobed with a layer of super firm in 100% natural.

Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #28 Feb 4, 2012 10:58 AM
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Why Latex does not work for people...
 

 

1.  they cover their latex with too much junk

2.  assume latex is a magical foam that lasts forever

3.  get too soft/firm latex without enough support/conformation

I get what the OP's talking about re: "pushback" though. It's definitely a different sensation than with other foams, especially memory foam.  For instance one's shoulders & hips might find the same depth in two given latex & MF layers, but the foam in between the shoulder & hip points that "rises" into the curve of your body will feel different- all MF needs to soften is exposure to heat, so if you sink just enough for the arch of your back to just touch that foam in between, you won't feel that same bubble like pressure into the arch of your back the same way you might with some latex, even if your hips & shoulders are sinking the same amount.  Latex does not back down from heat alone.  Not everyone likes that sensation, but it can be controlled with the right firmness or gradations of firmness, without losing its support.

I do like that bubble of pressure sensation though.  It's exactly the type of support I find my back needs.

 

 

 

Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #29 Feb 4, 2012 12:06 PM
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Megalops, thank you for letting me know!  When I ordered my bed, you had to buy the Super Firm in the blended. I like a very firm bed with just enough give and cushion and that is what my current bed is.  I can't wait to hear updates on your latex bed!
Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #30 Feb 13, 2012 12:23 PM
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DaveStro wrote:

 

 


I know this is an old post, but when people come across this I do want them to realize this is completely false statement. Latex does not push back against you any more than any other foam. Actualy Latex, HD Foam, Memory foam, Visco foam, etc... All push back against you with exactly the same force and it doesnt matter what density or compression ratio the foam is. They all push back against you with exactly the same force. The amount of force is determined by gravity. if you put 50lbs on top of any of those foams they will all sink until it has 50lbs pressure pushing back. and it works the same with all weights. Once it has 50lbs pressure pushing back you will stop sinking. How far you sink will depend on the compression ratio of the foam (ILD)

Push back for latex is a term created by poly foam manufactures to make their foam sound better and is just simply a false statement.

A way to test it. Take memory foam of 30ILD and take latex of 30ILD and apply 30 pounds per sq inch of pressure. If they both sink 1" then they have the same pushback.


actually what you are saying is completely untruthful. I have tried 3 latex beds. latex has tremendous amount of pushback. Soft latex too. lie on a latex bed and within short time it begins to pushback against you. Presses against your body in such a hard way that is really hurtful and very uncomfortable.  Very uncomfortable sensation. The pressing or pushback of a foam is completely different then pushback of a latex mattress.

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Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #31 Feb 15, 2012 12:55 AM
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Like everything else, it's a matter of personal preference.  I like a very soft latex foam as my top layer because my hip and shoulder are cushioned by the softness and allowed to sink in, but when I switch positions, the latex immediately bounces back to support me in my new position.  Memory foam would hold its old indentation too long, so that when I switched from my side to my back, there would still be an indentation under the small of my back where I actually needed support.  Having tried both, I prefer latex, but soft latex.
Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #32 Feb 15, 2012 3:23 AM
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Vlaurend wrote:

Like everything else, it's a matter of personal preference.  I like a very soft latex foam as my top layer because my hip and shoulder are cushioned by the softness and allowed to sink in, but when I switch positions, the latex immediately bounces back to support me in my new position.  Memory foam would hold its old indentation too long, so that when I switched from my side to my back, there would still be an indentation under the small of my back where I actually needed support.  Having tried both, I prefer latex, but soft latex.

exactly. tempurpedics have this problem too hence lack of support. Pressure relief yes but support no.

IN latex it is opposite. Support yes BUT pressure relief - I say no. I also say that latex pushback is in fact counter to pressure relief.

hence the conundrum.

tempurpedics and latex have big disadvantages.

 

Re: Why Latex does not work for people...
Reply #33 Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM
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jimsocal wrote:

 


Well, I'm sure there must be some people who allergic to sleeping on latex but then there are some people who allergic to everything. If you're allergic to sleeping on latex, don't sleep on it. However being allergic to wearing latex gloves, for example, does not preclude you from sleeping on latex. It's a completely different situation.



I dont think people are allergic to latex. I think some people are allergic to residues of substances which are used to process the latex