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Re: AN EXPERT'S ANSWER to the question What mattress should I buy? - cloud9
Sep 4, 2009 2:07 AM
jimsocal wrote:
***Latex is the highest quality foam you can buy. There are 2 quality brands of latex: Talalay and Dunlop. Talalay feels bouncy and Dunlop feels hard and firm. Some prefer one and some prefer the other. Dunlop is getting a little harder to get but some places sell it and use it in their latex mattresses. Latex can be used for both a core or foundation, and as toppers, as it comes in various firmnesses which are referred to as ILD. A lower ILD is softer, a higher ILD is firmer. (There is a 3rd type of latex which is made in India or other exotic locations and thus has no real quality control to it. You may not really know what the ILD is because there is little or no quality control or standards, and it may not last as long as Talalay...
Re: MATTRESS SURGERY: performing a "foam-ectomy" on my Englander mattress - cloud9
Sep 4, 2009 1:34 AM
Hey Jim, I've been off the Forum for awhile and was suprised to check in tonight and find you'd bought yet another mattress. I didn't even know Englander made innerspring mattresses. I've only ever seen their latex--or Laytex as they call it--mattresses in stores. Englander uses a 30 ILD core in their natural Talalay mattresses with a softer latex topper and Quiltflex in the upholstry, which is even softer, so no wonder people start complaining of backaches. Not firm enough to provide adequate support for most people.

You know me--I'm all for mattress surgery, but that's gotta be some kind of record. Four nights before it went under the exacto knife for a foamectomy (I LOVE that term!) Well, I guess you bought it for the springs. I'm looking forward to seeing your pictures of what's under the Englander hood.  And yeah, what is with those lumpy tufted tops on today's mattresses? Who...

Re: AN EXPERT'S ANSWER to the question What mattress should I buy? - jimsocal
Sep 4, 2009 1:07 PM
cloud9 wrote:
Jim, Excellent advice. Should be required reading for EVERYONE that joins the Forum to ask "What mattress should I buy?"

But just to clarify: Talalay and Dunlop aren't "brands" they are manufacturing processes. That third kind of latex you refered to doesn't exist, but it's often called "Jungle Latex." It's actually just cheap Talalay or Dunlop manufactured overseas with little quality control. It's often so-called "natural" latex, or latex derived from rubber rather than synthetic or blended latex. It has a lot of impurites which causes it to break down faster than latex from companies with higher manufacturing standards.


I added your clarification to my post above, noting that it is not a brand but a manufacturing process.
I did not know exactly what jungle latex was. So it's basically just the same latex as here, only without the quality control? I thought some of it was made...
Re: Help With Latex Foundation - eagle2
Sep 7, 2009 1:29 AM
Kimberly, cloud9, thank you both for your responses.

I certainly understand where you're coming from regarding the foundations and warranties from the major manufacturers. They definitely can get quite sticky if you do not use their foundation. However I am purchasing from one of the small independents that manufacturers 100% all natural organic latex.None of their warrantees are anything like the major manufacturers warranties regarding foundations.

And it's from these sources, the small independents, that I'm getting varying recommendations. As I indicated, my foundation is currently supporting a waterbed. It is going to be very interesting when I finally pull the water out of it, and remove it, to see if there is any mold buildup, or other unwanted characteristics.

I have slept on this bed for 10 years. It has never been moved since the day I installed it. So this will be a pretty good test, I would think. But...
Re: MATTRESS SURGERY: performing a "foam-ectomy" on my Englander mattress - w/ photos - eagle2
Sep 7, 2009 1:02 AM
Alex said: "If you want to know more than that you have to dig...sometimes a lot. The same is true for mattresses. The info is out there."

I am sure it is, just not on the corp. web sites. In fact I have learned more from you about Sealy and S&F than anywhere else. And I have been in the hunt for several weeks now, night and day!

I feel you must work for them or else you are in the mattress business some way. I seem to hear "vestested interest" speaking. Nothing wrong with this. But at the same time it does tend to shape your point of view.....yes?

You also said: "First, regarding the Stearns you mentioned, you don't want all organic latex. You wouldn't enjoy it, it'd be hot and wouldn't last long." Alex this fly's in the face of everything I have read in my several week,...
Re: lower back pain from flobed - KimberlyH
Sep 8, 2009 6:16 AM
Hi, I'm not sure how old this link from FloBeds is, but check this out:

http://www.flobeds.com/TalalayVsDunlop.htm

Just wondering if your bed was made using Dunlop Talalay, and if it has worn faster than the Talalay.  Also, they say they use 100% Natural Talalay. 

Also, during my research I came across this:

http://matresses101guide.com/Mattress_Construction_Mattress_Upholstery_and_foam_beds.html

I don't know who sponsors this website, and I don't know how good the information is (it certainly isn't very in-depth), but they seem to suggest that blended Talalay is more durable than 100% Natural Talalay such as FloBeds says they use now.  Although different sources say conflicting things, my sense is that blended Talalay may be more long-lasting than the 100% Natural that FloBeds uses.

Finally, look at this (from the same website:

http://matresses101guide.com/Mattress_Construction_Air_Beds_Boxsprings_Fibers.html

This suggests that sagging can be the fault of a cheap or inadequate foundation rather than the mattress itself.

So, I'm wondering whether your issue may be due to:  1) the...
Re: Side sleeping, shoulder/hip pain. I need to switch...Suggestions?? - Alexander
Sep 7, 2009 6:28 AM
Cptab,

Your mistake is an exceptionally common one if it makes you feel any better. Here's why:

If you're replacing an old mattress because it hurts your back (especially because of it sags) your body will cry out for something firm, something hard to help your body heal. So, you'll go to the store where the beds have been broken in more than your new model and that firm will feel wonderful. You'll take it home and for your first several weeks to a month your back is in Heaven as it heals from the saggy old bed you had before. After awhile, however, your back is healed and the rest of your body begins to complain. As a side sleeper, you're extra sensitive to too hard of a mattress and you're feeling those coils pushing up into your hips and shoulders, cutting off the blood flow. Your body naturally turns away from...

Re: Atlantic Beds or.... - Alexander
Sep 6, 2009 4:21 PM
If you do the Craig's list thing just remember that used mattresses are considered Biohazardous material for a good reason.

That said, half of the current models of Tempurpedic have removable, washable covers. Couple that with the fact that Tempur Material is naturally dust mite resilient and your chances aren't horrible. Here's a list (in increasing amounts of actual Tempur Material) of the Tempurpedics with removable covers as well as their Tempurpedic mandated Queen Size retail costs:

Advantage:      $1700

Classic:          $2100

Deluxe:           $2700

Rhapsody:     $3300

If you have questions about a specific one feel free to ask.

-Alex...

Side sleeping, shoulder/hip pain. I need to switch...Suggestions?? - cptab
Sep 6, 2009 8:53 PM
I purchased a queen "Vilamoura" mattress Mattress Warehouse several months ago. I'm not sure what it is labeled ass at other stores (maybe lukasa/lusaka?), but it is visco firm, has a very small pillow-ish looking top and has 900-something springs. I think it "listed" at $1,500-$1,600, but I got a slightly better deal b/c I don't need a box spring (platform bed). Anyway, it felt great in the store esp. and it didn't bother my problematic back (lumbar disk issue). However, now that I'm sleeping on it, I wake and toss and turn througout the night. I'm a side sleeper and my shoulder doesn't sink in. Thus, my upper body becomes contorted. Moreover, my hip is sore from contact all night. Unfortunately, it is too late to return and I think I need to revert to a softer mattress. Lesson learned...I...
DIY bed advice and, for comparison purposes, does anyone know what kind of latex is used in IKEA's Erfjord mattress? - mattressnewbie
Sep 7, 2009 12:50 AM
Hi all!

Wow - first let me just thank all of you who have posted on this forum and thoroughly educated me in mattresses!!!  I almost bought an "S" brand a couple weeks ago (have only ever slept on inner spring mattresses in the past), went home, did some online research which led me to this forum, and now (after much "head-swimming-experience") :0) think I'm pretty sure what I want...  You all have convinced this completely non-handy "DIY??  You gotta be kidding me!!" gal into... well, doing it myself!  So I took some of your all's advice and went to the only place I knew of remotely close to where I live that had latex mattresses (not just a layer of latex) to try them out - IKEA - and found that I liked the fairly firm feeling Erfjord mattress.  Does anyone know what kind of latex is used in this...

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