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Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - haysdb
Oct 20, 2007 6:01 PM
suz312 wrote:
I'm glad I asked because I was thinking the Dunlop was softer, so a x-firm Dunlop would be more like a firm or med Talalay. 

Hays - Thanks for the info on Creative Ventures - this is one I have not come across before.  She lists a Talalay Cal King core as $650.  Is that not the one from LI?  Or did she special order an LI one for you?  After doing lots of research, I have this idea that the LI Talatech is the best, but I don't know why.  If all 3 manufacturers of Talalay are good, is there any reason why you wanted the LI Talalay?   Is SleepEZ talalay from LI?  SleepEZ does indeed have a great deal on 2 layer (or 3 layer if you want to look at the core split in 2).  I don't know why I passed them up...

Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - haysdb
Oct 20, 2007 12:40 AM
suz312 wrote:
Thanks again Hayes for your very helpful info.  Do you think I could go wrong buying a Dunlop mattress?  May I ask where you got your Talatech Cal King?  That is a great price for the Talatech.  I was pretty set on getting a Talatech core, before I came across this Dunlop core at this foam store.  It was so comfy!  Maybe I should go with a Talatech core, and add the 3" topper and padded case from this store. 

Now, trying to compare apples with oranges ~ do you think a 100% natural Dunlop x-firm core might equate in firmness to a Talalay firm core? 


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The firmness descriptions such as Firm, Extra Firm and Super Firm are not standardized units of measure. One company's X-firm may be another company's Firm or Super Firm. ILD's are more useful. Both FloBeds and SleepEZ show the ILD ranges...
Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - haysdb
Oct 19, 2007 4:54 PM
suz312 wrote:

Is anyone familiar with mattresses.net?  They're offering just the core for $600.  It's Talalay, 60/40 synthetic/natural.  Anyone buy from them before?  I wonder where they get their mattresses from.


I have not done business with them but they have crossed my radar for the simple fact that they sell solid core mattresses and their prices are good. I spent $900 on a Cal King Talatech core, and this was a very good price. FoamSource wanted over $1100.

Remember, there are only three companies which manufacture talalay latex at this time, AFAIK, and as far as Dewey at FloBeds or Shawn at SleepEZ are aware. It won't be long before we start seeing Chinese talalay latex mattresses, but this isn't happening yet. There is Latex International of course, Dunlopillo in the UK, and Radium in the Netherlands. SleepEZ.com has some information on each of these companies. Talatech Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - haysdb
Oct 18, 2007 9:34 PM
I wouldn't worry about the natural dunlop not holding up. Sears sold latex mattresses in the 60's that are still in use today. Here is a page that shows some pictures of these mattresses and their mattress tags showing when they were manufactured. Click the pause button on the annoying Flash animation at the top of the page....
Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - cloud9
Oct 20, 2007 1:28 AM
It's really very difficult to compare Talalay to Dunlop. Dunlop has a more solid feel to it. A firm Dunlop would probably be more like an extra firm Talalay. Somewhere on the old forum someone wrote that Talalay is like angel food cake and Dunlop is more like pound cake. The manufacturing process is very different. Firm Talalay has less air whipped into the mixture. With Dunlop firmness is determined by the size of the pin holes in the core. The larger they are the softer the latex.

I don't know about Dunlop being denser on the bottom than on the top. My old mattress was double sided. I flipped it over every few months. It felt the same on both sides.

I would be warry of any latex mattress that feels too soft. Particularly with Talalay. Soft Dunlop is more supportive and distributes your body weight more evenly. You won't find...

Re: Mattress protectors and duvet covers - kimmcgov
Oct 18, 2007 8:09 PM
No, I think you are right on. The mattress store talked us into buying the mattress protector when we got our mattress. Afterwards my boyfriend said "I think we just fell for the old undercoating scam". Anyway it (the mattress protector) has teflon in it, which I'm pretty sure is NOT breathable, and after several night of massively overheating in bed I took the damn thing off and went back to the cotton mattress cover. Ahhh...much better. Like you said, mattress warranties are completely and utterly worthless anyway, so it's better to have as natural a material as possible next to your skin and be comfortable. I guess that was $70.00 down the drain for us. Oh well, live and learn... I would though use a duvet cover, because you want to be washing that thing as little as possible. Just find (or make) the lightest cotton one...
Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - suz312
Oct 20, 2007 3:08 PM
I'm glad I asked because I was thinking the Dunlop was softer, so a x-firm Dunlop would be more like a firm or med Talalay. 

Hayes - Thanks for the info on Creative Ventures - this is one I have not come across before.  She lists a Talalay Cal King core as $650.  Is that not the one from LI?  Or did she special order an LI one for you?  After doing lots of research, I have this idea that the LI Talatech is the best, but I don't know why.  If all 3 manufacturers of Talalay are good, is there any reason why you wanted the LI Talalay?   Is SleepEZ talalay from LI?  SleepEZ does indeed have a great deal on 2 layer (or 3 layer if you want to look at the core split in 2).  I don't know why I passed them up before.

Cloud - Yeah, the...

Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - suz312
Oct 19, 2007 6:46 PM
Thanks again Hayes for your very helpful info.  Do you think I could go wrong buying a Dunlop mattress?  May I ask where you got your Talatech Cal King?  That is a great price for the Talatech.  I was pretty set on getting a Talatech core, before I came across this Dunlop core at this foam store.  It was so comfy!  Maybe I should go with a Talatech core, and add the 3" topper and padded case from this store. 

Now, trying to compare apples with oranges ~ do you think a 100% natural Dunlop x-firm core might equate in firmness to a Talalay firm core? ...

Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - suz312
Oct 19, 2007 1:25 PM
Thanks for the info on Dunlop.  Now I'm leaning towards going with it, although I was hoping not to spend quite that much - ~$1000 for just the core.  I would step up the firmness to firm topper on top of x-firm core.  Their display was medium topper on x-firm core. 

Is anyone familiar with mattresses.net?  They're offering just the core for $600.  It's Talalay, 60/40 synthetic/natural.  Anyone buy from them before?  I wonder where they get their mattresses from....

Re: Talalay latex - 2, 3, or 4 layers? - suz312
Oct 18, 2007 9:06 PM
Today I stopped by a foam store to try out beds.  They don't have layering systems set up.  They sell the 6" cores + toppers.  They had one bed with only one firm core + padded case and it felt pretty good.  I'd say you could definitely go with just one layer, so long as it's the right firmness for you.  The only thing to keep in mind is that it will be just 6 or so inches high - it looks kinda short, but really no shorter than the old conventional mattresses. 

The configuration I really liked was 1 6" core + 1 3" topper + 1 padded case (wool, muslin, cotton).    It was 100% natural dunlop, and a little on the soft side.  So now I'm debating about whether to go with that, or find a similar Talatech combination, which might last longer.  ...

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