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Jan 13, 2011 4:48 PM
Sorry you have had the experience that 40% of Americans have... not liking their mattresses. You have come to the right place to learn.
Most of us here found this website while trying to find a good nights' sleep. I have spent 6 years, perhaps $6000, and with trades and swaps have
owned and had in my home 23 mattresses before then giving up and trying toppers... probably 100... all three types: latex, memory foam (tempur material), and poly, in varying thicknesses and densities... on top of various mattresses. Then I gave up and did mattress surgery, and am sleeping for the first time in 6 years.
There are thousands of posts here representing thousands of hours of research, shopping, mattress trials... etc. which I suggest you search out.
The appalling mattress industry tricks and subterfuge are documented here. ...
Jan 9, 2011 7:47 AM
Just wanted to share an important update on my search ofperfect sleep through mattress surgery.
1) The cotton blanket I was using in place of expensive cover like St. Dormier isnt working. It stiffens the top layer (memory foam 4 lb) so much that it negates the conformative shaping quality and value provided by mem foam. It is my most critical layer.
2) My nearly perfect for me combo of (top to bottom) 1 inch 4 lb eco green memory foam (overstock.com), 2 x 1 inch 20 ILD latex foambymail.com, 1 inch of supersoft poly foam from foamdistributing.com on top of Serta Perfect Sleeper Auburn Firm (springs only, cut off the top and took out the 3 foam layers)... was temporarily:
Made unsleepably, uncomfortably firm... by changing out one, one inch bottom layer, 3 inches down from...
Jan 9, 2011 6:54 AM
I called them to see if I could find out what it was and got a typical rep on the phone who kept repeating "we've been instructed not to give out that information". I told him that was too bad because that kind of lack of transparency and consumers' interest in knowing what was in their mattress was exactly the problem of the "s" companies and that companies like this could much to change this for the better. I then asked him if he could check with a supervisor to find out if he...
Jan 1, 2011 5:27 PM
Even the 20 ILD latex is pretty supportive. I would personally rate 32ILD and up ... all nine inches below your one inch... quite firm to "rock".
I have bought 20 ILD in both 1 inch and 2 inch from FBM, and found the 2 inch significantly denser and firmer than the one inch.
My current configuration: 1 inch 4 lb memory foam from overstock.com (find details and links by searching shovel99 and mattress surgery),
2 x one inch 20 ILD latex from FBM, 1 inch "super soft" poly foam from foamdistributing.com sister site...
Jan 1, 2011 5:22 AM
Funny, Leo.... we watch and love Fraser, too!
I have been out of the loop.... wanting to put more miles on my setup before adding feedback, so as to avoid leading anyone astray.
Like Jimsocal, my positive experiences are relative. After a few weeks of what felt good, sometimes I am return to back pain. Some of that
may be the day's or weeks activity... strain on back, too much on feet, etc, so it is hard to be completely scientific.
1. Have had the 6 ounce flannel blanket from Vermontcountrystore.com now for a couple of...
Dec 18, 2010 12:55 PM
Search shovel99 and find my experience.. ended up choosing mattress surgery on
a SERTA Perfect Sleeper Auburn Firm.
Comments today that relate to your situation on this other post today.
Mattress surgery is really easy. Choosing your layers is the trick. The top 4 inches are critical.
I did it in 1 inch layers and have 4 inches sitting on the top of the Serta springs.
http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/dont-know-what-consider-doingmattress-suggestions/16747-0-1.html
May try to check back.
Good luck, shovel99
...Dec 18, 2010 12:31 PM
I am male 170 lb (close to your 200lb), and am a "flipper" (side and back sleeper, perhaps 60/40%) w/lower back pain (lumbar). I went through 25 mattresses, the $6k and many toppers before doing mattress surgery. Search shovel99 and you will pull up my comments.. but I update them here. I went from waking up in shooting pain every day from the mattress/topper hunt ... decided to do "mattress surgery with help from comments and postings from jimsocal, sandman, budgy, others. This started 2-3 months ago.
I have experimented with 1" ($90+)and 2" 20 ILD ($190 queen) ("called soft by them... the 1" was pretty soft and the 2" quite firm) latex from Foambymail.com, 1" 14 ILD 'very soft' talalay latex from sleeplikeabear.com ($175 Qn), and multiple layers of 1" Supersoft (feels like 20 ILD latex equivalent) and 1" 36 HD (firm.... probably like...
Dec 2, 2010 3:45 PM
There are really two ways to "fix" a mattress with "issues" of construction ... both of which are difficult.
The first is by using toppers. This is difficult for many reasons including that you are turning comfort layers on the top of the mattress into support layers and their firmness is not usually suitable for this. The second and this is even more specific to your situation is that the toppers will only follow the coutours of your mattress and if they are already dipping or have lost their resiliency under weight, then the topper will not fix this and your sleeping position would likely be out of alignment.
The second is through mattress surgery. This is possible if your support layers (the deeper foam or the innersprings) are still good and would provide a good...
Dec 2, 2010 3:10 PM
Phoenix, regarding your question about whether I've tried for another replacement, yes, I've already gone down that path, unsuccessfully. I spoke with the manager of the mattress retailer, who (supposedly) spoke with the folks at Serta, and all they would do is offer me $200 of a new set because I was outside (by 3 months) the original 10-year warranty of the original set.
Gunner, regarding your question about whether our weight has gone up, maybe a little, but not much. My wife and I are in our mid-30's and might be 5 - 10 pounds heavier than we were 10 years ago when we were in our mid-20's. But we're both fairly fit and active people and neither of us is overweight. My wife probably weighs about 120 and I'm about 175.
Phoenix, you mention...
Dec 31, 2010 6:35 AM
Was there a time that the mattress you have was working OK and if it was what brand and model is it. Sometimes it can help to get a sense of what has worked for you in the past.
Do you know the ILD and thickness of your topper?
Have you tested out any mattresses in the stores to get a sense of what may work for you?
The biggest difficulty I can see is the difference in needs between your stomach and side sleeping. Side sleeping generally needs thicker and softer to allow enough sinking in to accomodate the bony parts and let the shoulders sink in enough for alignment. Stomach sleeping generally needs thinner...