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Definite breakthrough for lower back sufferers +additional tips for Matress Surgery!! Updated! - shovel99
Sep 13, 2010 4:00 AM
When my last two stabs at buying a "cheap scuff and mark" warehouse mattress ($470 for Sealy reserve or Simmons BR World Class) failed, I quickly dragged the "carcass" of my Serta Perfect Sleeper  base for my mattress surgery into my basement from the yard and cleaned off the dirt smudges with Resolve Triple Oxi carpet cleaner.  Worked like a charm.

Then discovered the following;

The springs really did have some give.. not quite as stiff as I had remembered from only a few days ago.  So why was I not geting much or any backbone accommodation when lying on my side?  DISCOVERY:  I HAD PUT A FAIRLY FIRM.. BUT ONLY HALF INCH... LAYER OF PU FOAM ON THE BOTTOM LAYER... TO "PROTECT" THE NEXT LAYER.  AS CRAZY AS IT MAY SOUND, THIS LITTLE HALF INCH OF SEMI FIRM FOAM WAS ENOUGH TO CANCEL THE SPRINGS...

Scalped my Serta Today..Update 9-13-1 Edited: Storebought count now 22 failed but Breakthrough on DIY for lower back sufferers.. new thread! - shovel99
Sep 5, 2010 6:20 PM
Hi folks. Mattress Surgery initial report. I cut the top off my queen sized Serta Perfect sleeper today. 

It was really easy, and just as JImsocal and sandman described.  Thanks to their encouragement and documentatin here,

I hope to be sleeping better soon!  Took about 15 minutes with a sharp utility knife.  Punched through and just held it up and

slice slice slice and the top was off.  I am very encouraged that this is going to work out well, and that I will be recomending it

to everyone.

I have already arranged my first trial stack and it feels really, really good.  If I don't get it the first time, I am guardedly optitmistic that

some fiddling will get me to a good night's sleep.

 

If someone can recommend an easy to...

Going to take the Surgery Plunge.. but for Sandman, Jimsocal.. others... Serta (now) or firm Beautyrest? - shovel99
Sep 4, 2010 7:42 PM
Belive it or not, after months here and years at the mattress hunt, (frown)I just tracked down the thread that linked the four or five detailed "surgeries" by JImsocal, Sandman, and others.. and am about to take the plunge.  I have been all over the board with latex and memory, and am now convinced that my problem iies between the top of the springs and the top cover of the mattress... where the evil stuff lurks!  Thanks for all the valuable information.  Just must do the surgery when my wife isn't looking over my shoulder!

Here is my question: I have a firm Serta Perfect Sleeper Auburn Firm (continuous coil) .. but can pick up a firm Beautyrest for peanuts on craigslist.  I am inclined to pick up the firm Beautyrest because up till this (ouch) firm Serta (which I might sell for more...

Re: advice on a latex setup for lower back pain - shovel99
Sep 4, 2010 5:14 PM
Search "sandman" for is comments.  I believe he has stated he has lower back, has shared extensively, and recently described what he is using... and I believe is reasonably happy with what he as.  As I recall, he is using Sealy springs and several layers of latex, detailed in his post.

I am 170 lb 60 yr old male, back and side sleeper, lower back pain, and still searching, after 20 mattresses, thousands of dollars, perhaps 100 toppers and combos. Search shovel99 for comparative comments about toppers... though I admit I am not there yet.... so take my comments with a grain of salt.

However, I believe the solution for us back pain folks will be as firm as you can stand underneath and just enough soft on top... whichever kind of soft floats your boat... as iis necessary to accommodate your backbone.

I...

Re: Stearns & Foster 'Luxury Firm' Too Soft (gah)! What are my Options? - shovel99
Aug 29, 2010 1:20 PM
Glad to see others have jumped on board here, and have disclosed just the tip of the iceberg of disgusting fraudulent acts by the mattress industry.  I have spent in excess of 1500 hours online and countless hours in the mattress shops in buying, having delivered, swapped mattresses (lots of begging and $70 bribes for as many as 10 swaps from one local mattress warehouse.. what sports they were!).

Just consider:  eat the $130 restock fee, or buy from Sears.com the Serta Perfect Sleeper Rivermist firm.  Mattress and box $584.  If you don't need new box spring, will be about $120 less.  Deliver to store... drive it home.  That's what I did.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SP100A421S1979950602P?prdNo=87&blockNo=87&blockType=G87

Or take your $130 hit and buy somewhere local.

Very firm= no padding, or maybe even stronger coils.  Varies with price point.

Will you have another 30...

Futon mattress recommendations? - sleepy_ella
Oct 2, 2010 1:20 PM
I need a full-size mattress and have been looking at the Serta Juniper Perfect Sleeper Innerspring (9.5 lb. layer of 80% cotton/20% poly blend, 1 3/4" eggcrate foam, 462 coil Perfect Sleeper innerspring unit), but would be grateful if people chimed in with recommendations for comfy futon mattresses they've owned and loved.  

Thanks!

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Re: Serta Perfect Sleeper Euro Top Shot After 3 Years? - Phoenix
Nov 30, 2010 6:19 PM
Restokraft is part of Serta.

Unfortunately yes, it is definitely possible that the mattress has lost it's original qualities. This is one of the biggest complaints you will see on this forum (and many other places) and the problem is common to all the larger mattress manufacturers (the "S" brands and others). The reason is their liberal use of lower quality polyfoam in one sided mattresses. This is an even bigger issue in pillowtop or eurotop mattresses that use this material since there is usually more of it to "break down". Part of the problem as well is that this is not usually covered under a warranty unless the impressions are over a certain depth (usually 1.5" but often more) without any weight on it and the warranty does not cover any issues regarding the loss of the foam's qualities if it just barely manages to spring back...

Re: Help me with latex bed configuration please - Phoenix
Oct 10, 2010 2:13 PM
A few ideas that may help you (gathered from many people who have been around for a long time and validated in my own mattress testing) ...

 

First of all the difference in feel between Talalay and Dunlop.

Talalay is more "airy" and Dunlop is more "dense". Think of angel food cake vs sponge cake. He might feel it is more bouncy because with a firmer topper, the lower layers of the mattress will have a more gradually rounded curve pressing on them from his body and there may be more springs pushing back at him than if he was compressing the springs with a "sharper" curve. He may in other words be describing a "feel" that comes from the springs but is enhanced by the topper.

Each person will feel the difference differently (depending on weight, weight...

Re: Serta Perfect Sleeper Euro Top Shot After 3 Years? - Gunner
Nov 30, 2010 6:28 PM
In short, yes. For one thing, has your weight gone up? surprise

We are in the process of replacing a 10-year-old Stearns & Foster that held up well. From what I see now, many midline mattresses have cut quality to hold prices down. I don't think anything of the supposed "no flip" mattresses - the only thing that got us eight good years out of the S&F was that it was a basic firm style and we could flip and rotate it frequently. With a Euro-top, you can only rotate, so you're going to get "canoes" a lot sooner, even assuming that all material and maker quality is the same as your old mattress. Three years on a midprice mattress with no flipping... and you get depressions of several sorts, mostly in the morning when you wake up un-rested and achy again. (Trust me,...

Serta Perfect Sleeper Euro Top Shot After 3 Years? - barlowc
Nov 30, 2010 5:59 PM

In January 2000, my wife and I purchased a queen-sized Serta Perfect Sleeper pillow top mattress set from a local retailer. At this retailer it was called the Baywatch. I remember the price tag being $1100 but we only paid $725 which included a frame and delivery. The mattress was heavenly for many, many years and we loved it. But after about 7 years, despite regular rotating and flipping, it had large deep depressions where we slept and had become less comfortable.

 

In February 2008, working with the local retailer, Serta replaced the mattress at no cost to us. The replacement was another Serta Perfect Sleeper, a Euro Top called the Italiano Moon. (Although, the one of the tags said itwas made by Restokraft Mattress...

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