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Copied from another thread so sjeanine's journey was easier to follow instead of mixed in with other stuff.... sjeanine wrote: Sorry, I see by my last posted reply that I didnt post it right so trying again! Phoenix, I'm wondering who/where you finally bought your mattress layers from?? Can you exchange them at any time if you want to? I am wanting to do the same as you did...building the layers but, not sure where/who to buy them from?! I'm finding the whole mattress buying thing as stressful as buying a car and just wish I could be done but want to make sure I am getting the right fit the first time! What size did you get and approx how much did it cost you? Did you already have a foundation to put the layers on and if so, where did you get that? Thanks so much for sharing. I hope I can find something I'm as happy with as you seem! ; ) sjeanine Phoenix wrote: sjeanine, I had enough confidence from my own personal experiences and research to believe that I could get it right the first time as shipping costs for a whole mattress would really exclude comfort exchanges. I would have had to use toppers to make any changes and in a softer mattress that is more difficult. It is a manufactured mattress as opposed to a zip cover (which I wanted as it was "tighter" and reinforced for the adjustable bed). If a comfort exchange would have been more important to me I would have certainly had many options outside of this one and it was a little "riskier" than other options I had but I believed it was worth it to get what I wanted. They ship anywhere in the US (my shipping was from Texas to Washington State near Tacoma). Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Thanks for telling me about the "all" button! I found your reply....sorry... Is there any way that you could send me a pic or post a pic of your mattress selection? Did you tell them the specs you wanted or was it something they already had made up that you could choose? I live in IL and just dont have a clue who to buy from. I spent some time at the mall yesterday with a guy who sold tempurpedics and I told him I really thought I wanted to go with Latex, from what all I've read....He had a few "Nature's Rest" Latex beds but they were quite pricey and he couldnt really tell me anything about them. He said he had them for people like me who wanted a natural bed but that he really thought I should buy a tempurpedic! Ugh! The Tempurpedic Cloud did feel wonderful but, I just really want to find something with less chemicals...I already have asthma and cough most of the night as it is and I liked the thought of something all natural, like latex. sjeanine
Phoenix wrote: Yes, They and most manufacturers have mattresses that are "standard" configurations but mine was built to my own specs. For example I could have chosen 2.5" outer layers instead of 3 or changed the core or any layer to any ILD I wanted. Most will also have a choice of ticking and what goes in the quilting (wool, latex, cotton etc) as well. I finally got around to putting a few pictures on Flickr which I understand is needed to post pictures to the forum so as soon as I read how to do that I'll post a few pictures here (and in the other thread about the Natura pad). Natures Rest is "sort of" latex in some of their models but even their top end has too much poly in the comfort layers for me and as you said they are way too expensive for what you get. Most of the bigger brands are like this when it comes to their "latex" mattresses. Memory foam is a really tricky thing and the only good thing about Tempur-pedic IMO is that it is a known quantity. Unfortunately "known" means a price that is hard to justify and also comes with the negatives of memory foam. I like the feel of memory foam in certain layers in a mattress (my favorite is a thin layer of latex over memory foam over latex similar to the high end NXG 575) but the negatives are just too many for me when it comes to memory foam. If I did go in that direction ... there are enough "known" alternatives now (along with many unknown alternatives) that I would never go in the direction of Tempur and pay their price. Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Phoenix, Thanks for the pics! I woke up this morning with my shoulders killing me cuz of my mattress so I need to make a decision soon....just afraid of making the wrong one and being stuck with it! You did have an advantage in that you were able to go to the store to talk to someone and try the beds out....whereas I am trying to decide over an internet...makes it tough! Plus, we really dont have the money to buy a new mattress....will have to finance it but, it's a necessity since the dr told me if I dont find a better mattress soon, I could end up with permanant nerve damage in my shoulders. Ugh! Thanks again. SJ
Phoenix wrote: "You did have an advantage in that you were able to go to the store to talk to someone and try the beds out" There aren't any mattress stores near you that sell latex mattress or at least mattresses with latex in the top layers? As you know I didn't try this mattress before I bought it but I would never have considered buying it sight unseen like I did unless I had tried other latex mattresses first to get an idea of the specs that worked for me. Are you sure there are really no mattress stores near you? If there isn't ... I would definitely get a mattress that would allow you a comfort exchange at low shipping cost. A mattress that is a "manufactured unit" would really only be suitable for someone who was reasonably sure what they needed or had tried it first. Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: The only place I could find with any latex mattresses, after an exhausting search was right at our local mall....but, they only had the Tempurpedics and Natures Rest so, I did lay on them and really liked them but not willing to pay $3,000...plus, after seeing their reviews online, wasnt wanting to buy a Nature's Rest. I am 5'4" tall and weigh 125 and my dh is 5'9" and weighs about 165. I have some RA going on and my shoulders bother me a LOT at night and I also have a bad neck that causes me a lot of headaches...My dh is fine with sleeping on a rock but I have to find something else....We currently have a 10 yr old Sealy Posturepedic Inclination Plush Pillow Top....Seems like ten years ago it felt great but it sure causes me pain now! sjeanine
Phoenix wrote: The Tempurpedic is not a latex mattress and is VERY different from latex. They are polar opposites. The natures rest has some latex in it but also lots of poly so it wouldn't really give you a fair comparison. What city do you live in? I would really NOT buy a manufactured mattress like I did unless you had some experience laying on latex mattresses. Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: I live near the Quad Cities (Moline, Rock Island, IL and Davenport and Bettendorf, IA)....small town on the outskirts. I sent you a pm... Phoenix wrote: You have LOTS of choices to test mattresses around you. In a quick search I found many including the few I listed here. I would go to Lebeda first as I know they make latex mattresses at decent prices. I stopped looking because there were so many so I would do a little internet research and make a few calls and then go and lay on some latex BEFORE you buy anything :) http://www.lebeda.com/ They are a manufacturer (like the one I got mine from) and they make latex mattresses at good prices. http://www.ashleyfurniturehomestore.com/ Ashley sleep (check to see if there is poly in these in the comfort layers) http://www.lifestylesfurniture.com/catalog.php3?category=0000001190 Dormia http://www.furniturerow.com/DenverMattressCo/ItemType/Queen%20Mattress%20Set/ Aspen and Snowmass http://lwbeddingqc.com/about_us.htm Another custom manufacturers. Check to see if they make latex mattresses Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Phoenix, Thanks! I guess when I did my research, I was just Googling latex mattresses and nothing would come up for my area...as far as furniture stores carrying them. I'm not very pc literate... I will go and check out Lebeda today. Funny cuz the guy at the mall told me "they" were the only ones in the area who carried latex! What kinds of questions should I be asking? I mean, just laying on it isnt going to make me decide cuz you cant tell that quickly how it will feel over a few months of laying on it....I dont want anything with poly or chemicals in it cuz I have bad allergies as it is. We removed the carpeting from our bedroom and put an air purifier in just to help out. Phoenix wrote: "What kinds of questions should I be asking?" Here's the quick version. 1. First go and flop around on some mattresses ... any mattresses ... to find out what kind of overall feel you like ... plush to firm. This part doesn't have to be latex. 2. Next spend some time on ones that are "in the range" with at least 3" of latex in the very top (preferably all latex and at MOST 1" of poly) in all your sleeping positions to see if you can feel any pressure points. Make sure you use a suitable pillow when you do this. Ask for the specs of the ones that don't give you any pressure points. 3. Next spend some time on the ones that don't give you any pressure problems and check for spinal alignment on each of them in all your sleeping positions. This step too should be with either latex in the top (if you are considering this as an option) or all latex if that is what you are looking for. It helps if someone can help you here. When you're on your side your spine should be straight (a yardstick can help here) and when you're on your back there should be no "gaps" between the more recessed parts of your body (like the small of your back) and the mattress. Your spine should be in the same position here as when you are standing up straight with good posture so that no parts are sinking in too far or too little. 4. Make sure you get the exact specs of any mattresses that are close so that you can find out the ILD (softness/firmness) of the latex and the layering (the ILD aned thickness of each layer) that works for you. If the salesperson can't or won't give them to you exactly, then write down the brand and model and either look it up on the internet or post here if you need help. 5. DO NOT BUY anything while you are testing mattresses out no matter what kind of a deal you are offered. The stores or manufacturers that depend on phony sales and pressure are usually not so confident in their product they offer. Most of the better choices can be bought anytime at a good price. The most important part is to get to know what works for you. Then and only then are you ready to consider what to buy. Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Thanks again, Phoenix! I'm heading out now to go mattress shopping and will report later what I found out. I'm headed to L&W, Lebeda and Ashley's! ; ) I called L&W to find out where they're located first cuz I'd never heard of them so I can tell you already that he (the owner) said he makes all his own mattresses except the latex. He said he gets those from Latex International?? He said the two types he has are Dunlop and they're 100percent natural latex. He said one has ilds of 36-38 and the other is around 40. He does not do layering cuz it comes this way to him. He said they're two sided so should be flipped after about a year and he sells them for $1600 something. Shouldn't there be layers of latex/foam?? I'm confused about it being one big slab...I forgot to ask how many inches thick it was but I'll find out when I go there in a bit. sjeanine
Phoenix wrote: Latex international is a high quality latex manufacturer that most of North America gets their quality latex from. They mostly supply latex that's made in a way called Talalay but they and others also use a method called Dunlop which is a little firmer and less "bouncy". Most people use a layering scheme when they buy a latex mattress but having said that there may be some where a single layer is perfect. This is less likely though unless you like a firm mattress with less "give" on the top. Any experience though will help you come to know what is right for you. Good luck Phoenix
sjeanine wrote: Phoenix,
Hi, I'm back from my shopping and here's what I found out today: Lebeda Matress: Had two beds with 4" of Dunlopia Latex (that's what the lady said) on top of 805 coil springs...all inside the quilted lining....one bed had a bamboo top and the other had wool she said....One of them had some sort of extra support in the center top part...at least that's where she was showing it with her hands....She said her husband had a metal rod in his back and he loved the one bed with the extra support....I wasnt prepared to see these since I didnt know they made latex beds with springs...but, they were both extremely comfortable....both were around the same price of $2500. When I asked if she had any just plain latex mattresses, without any springs inside, she showed me another mattress that she said was 8" of latex only. It was sitting on box springs and was $1500 for a queen set but didnt feel quite as comfortable as the other two. She said it was their most popular bed that sold to most chiro's and other doctors. The ild of all three mattresses, according to her, was 33. When I asked to see the specs, she was quite guarded and wouldnt let me see them but was reading it to me....I cant remember any of it now....When I asked where the latex came from, she said Cedar Rapids, Iowa....Oh, the mattresses could not be flipped cuz of the springs...except for the $1500 set...it was 2 sided. L & W Mattress: This was a little "ma and pop" shop...his words! lol But, he did have one latex bed on display. It was 6" of latex from Latex International with an ild of 36 or 38...cant remember for sure which it was but it definitely felt stiffer than the ones at Lebeda and I told him that I was afraid the hardness on my shoulders would cause problems and he said he could add another smaller layer of maybe 1" of latex on both sides that was a smaller ild...like a pillow he said, then add wool before he sewed on the bamboo cover but....said he'd have to get back with me Friday about how much more it would cost to do that. His warrantee was 10 years straight and then 10 yrs pro-rated and he said if it was not right, he'd make it right by adding or taking away whatever I needed him to in order to make it comfortable for me. I liked this but a bit worried about what it will cost and also worried about how hard/stiff it was anyway. He said the mattress sits on a 85 coil spring box springs....thought that seemed like not very many springs for a queen...plus, I thought latex beds were supposed to be on a wooden/slat frame....what do you think?? Man, I still feel lost and overwhelmed here!
I looked for the Ashley store but couldnt find it....a Slumberland was where it used to be...they said Ashley went out of business but the guy in Slumberland showed me what he had in the way of Latex.....It was a Simmons latex mattress that was on clearance on a different companies box springs...cant remember the name of it. He said it was an unmatched set that used to be $1400 on clearance for $898 and with no warranty. Didnt think this sounded to good....Then he directed me to some other bedding called NxG memory foam....I have no idea what was in it. He just said it was new and much better than tempurpedic cuz it had no hot issues or sinking in problems....made by Simmons. It felt nice too but not sure what is in it so just thanked him and left.
Lastly, I seen a site today that looked interesting called Arizona Premium Mattress Co...They had some latex mattesses and other eco friendly type mattresses that had a new type of eco friendly memory foam....have you heard of them? I wondered what you thought of their mattresses? That was today's looking...what do you think?? Any advice/suggestions at this point?? Thanks... sjeanine
Phoenix wrote: OK lets take this one step at a time through the 5 steps I posted earlier. 1. Flopping ... Did you flop and lay on a bunch of mattresses of any kind (this part doesn't have to be latex). What overall feel did you like best? 2. Pressure relief ... Which mattresses with latex in the top (doesn't matter what is under this top part in this step ... even springs are fine) did you lie on for a while and find that you didn't have pressure points. What was the ILD or softness of the top layer of latex in these? See below. 3. Not sure if you got this far. Did you get as far as testing any mattresses for how they aligned your spine? Lebeda ... They have 5 mattresses with latex in the top that they emailed me the specs for when I was doing my research. 4 of them are talalay latex over something else (dunlop or poly) and one of them is pure dunlop. They are called the Grand Teton, The Acadia, The Shenandoah, The Yosemite, and The Acadia. From what you've said they also have 2 with latex over springs which I don't have specs for. What we need to know is which of these 5 did you like in step 2? I have the specs so you don't need to ask with these (although it would be good practice). I also would need to know which of the two (if any) spring models worked for you in step 2 and what were the specs of the top latex layer in these (thickness and softness). Your questions here and your experiences as they relate to specific mattresses and models are what we need now. L&W ... I thought that they would be too firm. I would wait until he confirms how much it would cost to add at least 2" of softer latex to each side before I went any further here since you would need them on the showroom floor at this testing stage. Slumberland ... They have some mattresses called Simmons natural care that have latex in the top (with some poly). Did you lie on any of these? If you did how did they go with step 1 and 2 and what were the models you liked. Dunlop (Dunlopia) is one of the 2 ways that latex is made. Latex is often seen over springs and over poly as well. I am very familiar with Arizon premium mattress company and I've mentioned them favorably in several threads. For now though ... since you don't live in Arizona ... It's the lay on bed experience and the specific information that comes from that through your specific questions that we need before I would consider a manufacturer that can build to your specs. Next step is to "fill in the blanks" from your experiences today. This may involve checking out some of the mattresses you lay on and testing for specific things in step 2 (pressure) and step 3 (keeping your spine straight) and then getting the specs of the ones that fit for you. I would also broaden your search to a few other stores (there are lots around you) but FIRST phone them and ask them if they have any all latex mattresses with less than 1" of poly on top and/or if they have any mattresses with at least 3" of latex on top of something else. If they don't have this they aren't worth going to. Don't forget that we are in testing stage and the goal here is to find out what works ... not what to buy. Deciding what to buy and looking at price is the very last step and really not important at his point. If a mattress has latex in the top or is all latex then it is your plaground and research lab ... no matter what it costs. NXG is memory foam and not something I would consider adding to the mix at this point. Lets keep it to latex and latex over something else for now. Phoenix sjeanine wrote: OK lets take this one step at a time through the 5 steps I posted earlier. 1. Flopping ... Did you flop and lay on a bunch of mattresses of any kind (this part doesn't have to be latex). No, just laid on three latex mattresses since that was what I was after. What overall feel did you like best? Yes, I laid on the "Reve" for $2399...which had springs so it could not be flipped but it felt the most comfortable one to me, at Lebeda. She said it was 4" of Dunlopia latex on 805 springs and 33 ild. I also laid on the $1500 33 ild 8" pure dunlopia latex...had a bamboo ticking...it was ok but felt firmer than the 4" on springs....weird. 2. Pressure relief ... Which mattresses with latex in the top (doesn't matter what is under this top part in this step ... even springs are fine) did you lie on for a while and find that you didn't have pressure points. What was the ILD or softness of the top layer of latex in these? See below. 33 ild on all the Lebeda's that she showed me in the store. She said that was all she had in latex. The one latex mattress at the LW Bedding was stiff and hurt my shoulder a bit when I layed on it and the owner told me that all mattresses are going to hurt your shoulders if you lie on them long enough on your sides....The Reve at Lebeda felt the softest and had the least pressure points to my shoulder but still could've been softer I think for me.... 3. Not sure if you got this far. Did you get as far as testing any mattresses for how they aligned your spine? I asked my son, age 11, if my spine looked straight but he wasnt sure...the manager at lebeda said it did...of course she would....and so did the guy at LW Bedding. I didnt lay on any of the mattresses at Slumberland. The sales person didnt seem very willing to talk about specs and I didnt think he seemed to knowledgeable. Lebeda ... They have 5 mattresses with latex in the top that they emailed me the specs for when I was doing my research. 4 of them are talalay latex over something else (dunlop or poly) and one of them is pure dunlop. They are called the Grand Teton, The Acadia, The Shenandoah, The Yosemite, and The Acadia. From what you've said they also have 2 with latex over springs which I don't have specs for. What we need to know is which of these 5 did you like in step 2? Hmmm, maybe I better go back again and see if there was some other beds she didnt show me but I did ask if that was all the latex beds she had and she said yes. I have the specs so you don't need to ask with these (although it would be good practice). I also would need to know which of the two (if any) spring models worked for you in step 2 and how thick and what were the specs of the top latex layer in these (thickness and softness). Your questions here and your experiences as they relate to specific mattresses and models are what we need now. Reve was 4" of dunlopia over springs and it felt the best to me but still a little pressure on my shoulder....it was 33 ild. L&W ... I thought that they would be too firm. I would wait until he confirms how much it would cost to add at least 2" of softer latex to each side before I went any further here since you would need them on the showroom floor at this testing stage. Ok, thanks.). Slumberland ... They have some mattresses called Simmons natural care that have latex in the top (with some poly). Did you lie on any of these? If you did how did they go with step 1 and 2 and what were the models you liked. No, I was only shown the one latex Simmons on clearance and then that other memory foam...He said it was all they had and I did not lay on either of them. Dunlop (Dunlopia) is one of the 2 ways that latex is made. Latex is often seen over springs and over poly as well. I am very familiar with Arizon premium mattress company and I've mentioned them favorably in several threads. For now though ... since you don't live in Arizona ... It's the lay on bed experience and the specific information that comes from that through your specific questions that we need before I would consider a manufacturer that can build to your specs. Ok, I can go to Denver Mattress in Davenport, Iowa tommorrow or Friday probably and see what they have. But, online I seen their specs showed the Snowqueen, or some name like that, had some sort of PU foam...what is that?? I just dont want any chemicals.... Next step is to "fill in the blanks" from your experiences today. This may involve checking out some of the mattresses you lay on and testing for specific things in step 2 (pressure) and step 3 (keeping your spine straight) and then getting the specs of the ones that fit for you. I would also broaden your search to a few other stores (there are lots around you) but FIRST phone them and ask them if they have any all latex mattresses with less than 1" of poly on top and/or if they have any mattresses with at least 3" of latex on top of something else. If they don't have this they aren't worth going to. Ok, will do....will go out again tomorrow and Friday...possibly hitting up Lebeda again...and Denver Mattress Co. NXG is memory foam and not something I would consider adding to the mix at this point. Lets keep it to latex and latex over something else for now. K...thanks Phoenix...I'll report back when I learn more! ; ) Phoenix
Phoenix wrote: Just to be a little more specific here ... I would do a little more prelim research on the phone before you go out again. The specs of the mattresses you lay on that you haven't alread menioned and finding out if they have the models they told me they did can be done on the phone before you go there. Finding out which other stores have latex mattresses can also be done at home. The more you can do on the phone the more fun and the less frustrating and confusing going to stores will be. I think you may be sort of "mixing up steps". Keep each one separate for now so on each mattress you lay on you are looking for one thing at a time specifically. Step 1. is about overall feel. Softness, bounciness, plushness, and just the ahhh feeling. This tells us a bit about the overall construction you may like. In this step it makes absolutely no difference what mattresses you try or even if they have any latex in them ... it only matters that you know the make and model of the ones you liked and whether they felt plush, firm, bouncy, and all the other "feelings" that come to mind as you flop, lay, and roll around on them. It's just about an overall feel that you like. Step 2 is specifically about finding out about a mattresses ability to relieve pressure. We want to know what kind of top layers work for you here. A mattress with an inch or less of poly in the top is still very helpful here since we are not thinking about actually buying anything you are "testing" for now ... only gathering information about what fits your needs. Step 3 is about testing the mattresses that worked for you in step 2 for support and spinal alignment. It's still not about buying anything but about finding what type of deep support works for you. Even latex on springs and then knowing what kind of springs worked would help to know what kind of latex would give similar support. Dont worry about whether any of the mattresses you "use" to gather information would actually be suitable for you. It's the information we want ... so we can put together an idea of your perfect mattress. None of the one's you test may be perfect but knowing what works and doesn't would give a much better idea of how to put together a "do it yourself" if that ends up being the way to go. Hope this helps a bit. Just treat all the stores as your playground and research lab no matter what their mattresses cost. Do as much on the phone as you can. And most of all have fun with this. We will get there if you go only one step at a time. Phoenix
Phoenix wrote: Do a google search for "mattress moline illinois" and you will get a list of stores. One called the back store will also be helpful (It has OMI mattresses) but there are lots more. then do a google search on the other 3 parts of the quad cities to see if you get any more. You will get lots of options and then call the ones that you think are worth it and ask them specific questions about what they have before you decide where to go. If I can find them ... so can you :) Phoenix This message was modified Nov 18, 2010 by Phoenix
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OK, So I'm going to work with "rectangle with a dip in the middle" construction:) Here's what I'm thinking from your experiences. You really liked the Opulance and the Bastogne which are both microcoils in a pillowtop. Microcoils are made to be very soft and conforming (unlike the "support springs in a mattress) and would feel in their own way similar to softer latex where you have a feeling of "supportive softness" in the top layers. They would both give you a sense that the mattress was conforming to your shape and being supportive at the same time. You also liked the Reve better than others and it is softer than others you tried but the top softer part is probably too thick which is why you were "out of alignment". You also liked the Aspen better than the Snowmass which again confirms that a softer talalay which conforms to you and relieves pressure is what we're after. Some of your other feedback confirms this as well. You were also mentioning that you felt good on the Aspen but then your back started to hurt. This tells me that the combination of 2" of softer talalay over 1" super soft poly over another 4" of medium talalay lets you sink in too far. It was good for side pressure relief but not so good on your back. You were probably hyperextending your lower back as your lower body would sink in too far in this position. Your experience with the Dormia and Tempurpedic says once again that you need pressure relief but that sinking in too far (a tendency of memory foams and particular the less expensive ones with less dense foam like the Dormia) is not good for you. You need reasonable support for your weight under your comfort layer but not so firm that it causes pressure issues if you go through the top layer a bit. Because you are not at the place where you know exactly the specific ILD's that you would need in a mattress ... I believe that your best option is to make your own with a layered approach rather than a custom built manufactured approach which would not let you change it afterwards at a reasonable cost if any shipping was involved. So here are your options as I see them. 1. PHONE L & W and ask them if they could make you a mattress with a 32 ILD 6 " core with 2" of 22 ILD latex above that with a quilted cotton cover with some wool in it and ask them what it would cost. Then ask them if they could do the same thing wih 3" of latex above the core and get the price for that as well. Make it clear that you are close to a final decision and you are looking at your final options. Then ask them if you are able to do any kind of a comfort exchange and if so what would it cost you. 2. PHONE Lebeda and ask them the same things as you did with L & W. (both 2" and 3" over a 6" core). At this point it doesn't matter if they can make it EXACTLY like this ... we are more interested in their price for the type of construction you are looking at so if they could do something very similar, get the price for that. You have several options for either an 8" or 9" layered latex mattress and they would all be in the range of what you would need. The cost in a queen would be from around $1000 to around $1600 at the high end and the high end would only be because you chose all natural Talalay which adds a bit to the cost. There are even some options that we could go a fair bit less than this if we need to. Of course you also need a foundation (not a boxspring) to put your mattress on then that would add a bit to the overall cost as well. You have several options here as well including buying an inexpensive one from wherever you buy your mattress from. If your SO really did like the adjustable bed then this would be a lot more than a foundation and would put you over your budget.... but he may decide he likes the idea anyway (laughing). In any case, let me know if you have a foundation (the floor would be OK for the short term but not long term as your mattress would have trouble breathing), and also let me know the result of your two phone calls to L&W and Lebeda. Then we look at online options and choose whatever is best for you. We are almost there :) Phoenix This message was modified Nov 22, 2010 by Phoenix
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Phoenix,
Hi I just got home and wanted to let you know what I've found out so far, since I will be having to leave again shortly and wont be able to report anything until later this evening or tomorrow. I am still waiting to hear back from John, from L&W Mattress but, I have heard back from Lebeda and I want to say this, I would not buy a mattress from the Moline Lebeda store now unless Barb, the manager, is no longer there! This woman sounded like a demon when I called today about the mattress costs! She was so mean and nasty sounding and she acted mad that you had called there in my behalf. She said you had and I said, "yes, that is fine; he is helping me." She did not like that at all!!! Her voice was very nasty and as I was asking her about a price quote, she told me that it was going to be very expensive and probably not what I'd want, how it wouldnt prob meet firecodes, etc.... I suddenly realized, as I was reading (to myself) your reply above, which I had printed out and taken with me, that the specs were almost exactly what the salesman there, Ray, had checked on for me last week. He was very knowledgeable and nice and made a quick phone call and told me that they could make a mattress like the one they had on the floor, with 6 inches of a core latex, 33 ILD and put a 2 in 22 ILD latex on top for no additional charge of what their 100% 6" latex bed was...I think it was $1500. But, he'd said it would not include the 30 day return or exchange...only the normal warranty and only on one side. So.....when I suddenly remembered I'd already had this quote given to me, and this woman was being very rude and nasty anyway, I just said, "You know what? I just realized I was already quoted a price from Ray on this set last week." She got even madder and said, "Well, I'm the manager, not Ray and you didnt go thru me!" I ask you, Phoenix, why would that matter??? So, I went on and repeated what I wanted because she just went off on a rampage and kept repeating herself about being the manager and me needing to go thru her... This woman just kept butting in and interrupting me while I was trying to tell her what I wanted and just kept saying, "it's going to be really expensive, probably wont meet the fire code and you should've talked to me cuz I'm the manager and what Ray told you didnt matter since it didnt go thru me!!" She practically hung the phone up on me and I didnt even get out that I wanted a quilted cotton cover with some wool in it..but, I do remember telling Ray that last week. Barb called me back after a bit and quoted me a price that was higher than the original price that they told Ray it would be....Ray said they told him there'd be no extra charge for doing all that....now it's about two hundred dollars higher...coming from her. I told her thank you and that I'd get back with her and she just slammed the phone down on me. Then I tried to call L & W back since they'd tried and left a msg while I was talking to her. Unfortunately, I was driving at the time and I asked my son to call back the last number that I missed and he somehow recalled Lebeda....OMG!! This woman about went thru the phone when I asked for John at L & W! She said angrily, "This is LEBEDA!!!!" Lol....and I just said, "Oh, sorry, I called the wrong number" and hung up before she could say another word! Wow! I sure will be glad when we get all done with this. What a learning experience! When I did call John back at L & W, he was soooo nice and told me he'd get back with me and that he could make me whatever I wanted and he could do it two sided so that I could flip it if I wanted. He said he always makes his mattresses two sided cuz he felt all mattresses should be able to be flipped. He just said he wasnt sure if he could get a 22 ILD from Latex International so he needed to get hold of them first before quoting me a price. So, I'll write again when I get more info.... This message was modified Nov 22, 2010 by sjeanine
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Wow ... is that ever bizarre ... especially considering that you are down to knowing close to what you want and were looking for a quote. That's usually when people become very friendly and try to do their best for you. Oh well, it doesn't matter in the end if either of them can give you a good quote since there are so many online options who can ... it's just nice sometimes if you can get the same benefits locally. I think it's safe to rule them out. Funny too ... when I was calling a lot of manufacturers looking for prices on a rough configuration, they quoted me $1399 for 6 + 2 although I didn't specify any ILD's or other details. I'll wait until you hear from L&W and then we can look at a few other options and compare them so you can make some final decisions and order a mattress :) Phoenix This message was modified Nov 22, 2010 by Phoenix
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Phoenix wrote:
Wow ... is that ever bizarre ... especially considering that you are down to knowing close to what you want and were looking for a quote. That's usually when people become very friendly and try to do their best for you. Oh well, it doesn't matter in the end if either of them can give you a good quote since there are so many online options who can ... it's just nice sometimes if you can get the same benefits locally. I think it's safe to rule them out. Funny too ... when I was calling a lot of manufacturers looking for prices on a rough configuration, they quoted me $1399 for 6 + 2 although I didn't specify any ILD's or other details.
I'll wait until you hear from L&W and then we can look at a few other options and compare them so you can make some final decisions and order a mattress :) Phoenix Oh, I forgot to mention that I did find out (via internet search) that Lebeda buys their latex from Carthage, Missouri. And, if you think that is the route we should go, I guess I could try and go back when Ray is there or go to the Davenport, IA store...it's just a few miles away from Moline, IL. Originally, Ray said they could just build it for $1500....just no 30 day comfort exchange and only on one side. This message was modified Nov 22, 2010 by sjeanine
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They get their springs from Leggett & Platt which is in Carthage Missouri, their latex would come either from Latex International or through a distributor who buys from Latex International. What L&W said is correct ... expecially with Natural Talalay, not quite so much with their blend. Some manufacturers are able to specify their ILD more closely. They are too expensive anyway so I agree with you that is not your best option. That leaves us with what was likely to be your best bet all along, an online layered make your own. We have enough information now that you can probably get very close to your best configuration and if for any reason you need to change it, then exchanging a layer is very inexpensive. A 6" core with a 2" - 3" comfort layer would be your best option. You are somewhat sensitive to sinking in too deep which is why I suggested a core in the range of 32 ILD which for your weight would provide plenty of support. This range would be a medium in most places. The advantages of a 2" layer on top of this is that again you wouldn't sink in too far before you were being supported by the core and this would probably give you your best alignment. The disadvantage is that some people would "go through" 2" and feel slight pressure from the firmer layer underneath. I am one of these but my weight and body makeup is much different from yours so I think 2" would be fine for you. The second advantage is that 2" is slightly less expensive than 3". A wool quilting in the ticking (cover) would also lessen how far you sank into the mattress and most are available with this. The advantages of a 3" layer on top of this is that it may feel a little softer and possibly conform a little better with less chance of you going through to a slightly firmer layer. It is unlikely that 3" in an appropriate ILD would put your spine out of alignment but if it did, then exchanging the top layer for one that is slightly firmer or changing layers would likely solve this. This may also be a little better for your SO who is slightly heavier than you are however having said that, he is not so heavy either and from what you said doesn't have bony hips so 2" would probably be fine for him too. The disadvantage of 3" is that it would cost a little more. There are other options as far as construction as well but when you purchase in layers, it is fairly easy and inexpensive to exchange layers. Before we go to specific suggestions and options ... do you already have a foundation to put the mattress on. If not, then we should take this into account for your budget as well. Would you prefer basic foundation or is your SO seriously thinking about an adjustable bed (you don't need it to "sleep better" as the "salesman" suggested so don't take that into consideration). They are really a luxury ... but a nice one ... unless someone has a specific medical need for them. Phoenix This message was modified Nov 22, 2010 by Phoenix
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OK, here are what I believe are your best options. I would take a look at these websites and what I have written and then decide which one you like the best. They are all a little different but i don't think you would go wrong with any of them. They all represent great value and all the prices are for queen siz, include shipping, and include any discounts I know about. MATTRESS OPTIONS http://www.mattresses.net/queen-adjustable-ultra-plush-latex-sleep-system.html Adjustable ultra plush sleep system $1076.42 This one is 6" of Talalay with 2" of Talalay on top with a very nice zippered wool and cotton quilt cover. The top is always soft latex (around the 22 we talked about) and the bottom can be any choice from softer to firmer that he has (28, 33, or 38 ILD). You can also make half the bed softer and the other half firmer (say 28 one side and 33 for the other) If for some reason you make a mistake, you can ship the 6" core back (would cost you about $80) and they would ship you out either a firmer one or a softer one at their cost. They can also customize the mattress if you choose by adding another 2" soft latex on top for an additional $200 or so plus a small extra shipping charge although I wouldn't recommend this in your case (4" of soft latex would probably be too much). This price is with their current special coupon which they will email to you if you request it. http://www.sleepez.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/108 Sleep EZ 8" special $995.00 This one is 3" + 3" of Dunlop with 2" of Talalay on top with a cotton zippered cover with no wool. You can customize the firmness of each layer and in your case I would probably suggest firm on the bottom, then medium, then soft. You can exchange any layer for a softer or firmer one within 90 days for a total cost of $30 ($15 shipping each way). The Dunlop is a little firmer than the Talalay (not quite as "springy") but also high quality latex and you would be laying on the Talalay. http://www.myluxurymattress.com/product3073.html#learnmore 9" Aristocrat latex mattress $1139.05 This one is 6" of natural Talalay with 3" on top so it has a total of 9" in it. I would suggest if you were to choose this one that you get the plush (24 ILD over 32 ILD). It has a cotton cover but with no zipper (you can't just exchange a layer). If you need a firmer core then you have 120 days to exchange it for a firmer one (this is the softest top and core they have) and they will pay for the shipping both ways. Natural latex is more expensive but in softer ILD's many people believe it is slightly less long lasting. The difference in durability for 24 ILD top is not likely to be that much and all forms of latex will last longer than most other foams. http://www.mygreenmattress.com/view_products/naturalescape.htm Natural Escape mattress $1424.00 This one is a little different from the others. Instead of a mattress that has to be used with a certain side up, this one is 2 sided and can be "flipped". It has a 5" core of blended Talalay latex and then 2" of natural Talalay latex on either side for a total of 9" of latex. It also has a very nice wool and cotton quilted cover (no zipper) but because it is 2 sided this quilting is on both sides as well. If for some reason you need to exchange it for something firmer (this one is the softest) then you can do so for $150 shipping ($75 each way). They would arrange for shipping the mattress each way. The price here is with their current special where they upgrade their one sided mattress to 2 sided for free. The advantage of being able to flip a mattress is that you give each side a chance to "rest" a bit and it will slightly extend the life of the mattress. http://latexmattressshop.com/index.php/comfort-level/allure-latex-plush Allure plush top mattress $989.10 This one is is 6" Dunlop latex with 2" Dunlop latex on top and then it has the nicest cover of all of them all with wool, cotton, and quilted latex in the cover. It is non zippered. You have your choice of soft medium or firm feel and again I would choose soft in your case. While soft latex is usually a little firmer than soft talalay with the same ILD, it has 7 zones which would make it a bit softer feeling and the extra quilted latex in the quilting would also add to the softness so it would be roughly equivalent to the others. You can't exchange just a layer with this one so if you're not happy with it you would have to send the whole mattress back but they would pay for the shipping both ways so it woldn't cost you anything. The price here is with a 10% coupon which they will give you if you subscribe to their email here. http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ Waiting for a call back from him to see if he will make an 8" or 9" mattresses and what it would cost. Usually he makes them thicker (11") which while he has great value would put them out of your budget. I do like very much how he makes and customizes his mattresses and the zoning he uses so he would also be well worth talking to if he can make them a little thinner. I left him a message to ask him but he's probably gone home for the day so hopefully he'll call me back tomorrow. Added: I received a call back from customsleep design and he does make mattresses that are 9" in width. What he does in this case is use a firmer 4" base instead of the 6" base. This would put him in the upper end of your range "in the neighborhood" of mygreenmattress and he would be well worth talking to as his mattress construction is more tailored to individual body makeup than the others and represents great value as well, epsecially for those who have difficulty "getting it right" with more typical layered or zoning approaches. The price would depend on your choice of materials (type of latex) and construction and you have a 90 day layer exchange to adjust things if you need to. There would be no sales tax on any of these except mygreenmattress which is in Illinois (la grange) so they would have to charge you being in the same state. If you shipped it to somewhere in Iowa then there would be no tax. I'm assuming that Illinois has a sales tax which I don't know for sure. FOUNDATION OPTIONS To order a standard slatted foundation separately I would use either mattresses.net for $257.25 including shipping or Sleepez which is $260 including shipping. If you order your mattress from latexmattressshop, then I would also order your foundation from them as they give you an extra 5% off your order if you do and it would only cost an extra $202.50 If you order your mattress from mygreen mattress, then I would order your foundation from them. They have a wooden one similar to the above which they told me would cost you an extra $129 or a stronger wooden and steel one which would cost you an extra $179. They said they would do this (a little over $100 off the regular cost) because you were close by and the shipping wouldn't be as much as other places. I should also mention that Ikea http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/bedroom/10635/ carries some very interesting and low cost slatted mattress bases that can be adjusted both to increase firmness or softness in certain parts of your mattress and in some cases can raise and lower the head and foot areas as well like a traditional adjustable bed. Even their adjustable models are less than most slatted foundations. I have seen a few comments that they are not as strong as others but aside from this possibility I think they offer great value. They do have a 25 year limited warranty if they do break. Your total price for both a mattress and foundation ranges from $1191.60 (mattress and foundation from latexmattressshop) up to $1603 (2 sided mattress and their strongest foundation from mygreenmattress but this excludes tax). The Ikea foundations would of course reduce this range. Now comes the fun part of deciding which one but at least there is no more trips and all of these are great choices IMO. If you have any questions just post them here. Phoenix This message was modified Nov 24, 2010 by Phoenix
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I forgot to mention that I am allergic to lanolin and silicone....should I be concerned about that with purchasing any of the mattresses posted? I just realized that some, or maybe most of the latex mattresses come in two pieces?? Wouldnt that cause a dip in the middle, eventually, if not right away, if you slept or rolled to the center of the bed? I like the idea of the 7 zones on the Allure plush top mattress but a little worried about if the Dunlop would feel to firm to me. I also like that they have free shipping if you need to return it....as well as the 10% off coupon. I also liked the 9" Aristocrat cuz you get 9" of course of the Talalay latex and I love the idea you get 4 mths to decide if it's right for you in firmness...and, they will pay for the shipping both ways! But, I read on another post that someone said natural latex only lasts about 10 years before breaking down...is that true? Should I be looking at a blend or the Dunlop instead of any of the Talalay? I liked the adjustable ultra plush sleep system cuz of the all Talalay and being able to customize both sides but a bit pricey if you need to return a layer....do you know how many times you can do this with any that say you can exchange them?? Thanks for all your work and and advice! ; ) sjeanine P.S. Ok, after showing all the info you posted to my SO we think we have decided to go with the Allure plush top mattress from the Latex Mattress shop. Do you know what their warranty is? Do you think this is a good choice? I am wondering what the ILD is of it and if it's one big piece, not layers, how it's put together and/or would arrive. I guess I can email them but was wondering if you knew already. Do you think this is a good choice? I'm just a little bit nervous tht it could be to firm...even with the soft. Wish I could try this out first! Oh, what to do..... P.S.S. Should I be looking at slatted wood foundation or spring foundation? Is there an advantage of one over the other with latex mattresses? Thanks again. This message was modified Nov 23, 2010 by sjeanine
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Usually a water based glue is used to glue latex together either with narrower pieces or gluing layers together. Because Talalay is produced in narrower cores, they are often glued together and assuming that a "good glue" was used (which is likely in a good quality manufacturer) there is no cause for concern. You will not notice any glue seams or "dips" unless there was a manufacturing issue. Natural Talalay has a 10 year warranty from LI while their blended has 20. I don't believe that the blend is "twice as durable" as the natural and that the warranty is more because they are playing it safe because it hasn't been in the market nearly as long than it is about actual length of time it will last. I do believe that natural may be slightly less durable in the lower ILD's especially but it also has a slightly different feel that some people like and the fact it is natural (like most but not all Dunlop) is also attractive to many people. In the end it is a matter of preference as I believe that all the good quality types of latex have their own unique advantages and disadvantages and that overall one is not "clearly better" than another. I think they all represent good value. The differences are really more about personal choices than anything else. I would definitely call the ones you are considering though rather than rely on me for your "final questions" that are specific to their product as I believe it is important to know who you are buying from. I did like the mattresses at latexmattressshop as I personally liked the idea of quilted latex in my mattress. It was one of my "very final list" along with a couple of the others before I made my final decision. I know my own final decision was hard not because any one was "better" than any other but because my choices were all so great that it was difficult to decide which "combination of benefits and price" I liked the best. Call your 3 favorites and get a sense of how you feel about them and what they say. Ask them "I'm having a hard time deciding between you and a couple of others and can you tell me about why you believe I should buy your mattress". None of them mind talking to people about the specific benefits of their mattress whether you buy or not since that is part of what they do every day. For example you could ask latexmattressshop "I really like your mattress but the other ones I'm considering are Talalay and I like soft ... could you tell me your thoughts on how your mattress with the quilting would compare to a mattress with a softer layer of Talalay on top". These final phone calls are the fun part :) Phoenix PS: a boxspring is not really suitable for a latex or any foam mattress. You need a more solid base that that doesn't flex like a boxspring. The slatted ones are the best because they help the mattress to breathe. Slatted ones that are firm but adjustable in their tension in ways that can slightly alter the feel of a mattress and help "customize" it to your preference are also good choices. This message was modified Nov 23, 2010 by Phoenix
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