Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Jun 24, 2011 1:42 PM
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I'm going for a pretty soft feel, based on how I liked the Pure Latex bliss nutrition (which is 2" x 19 ild, 2" x 28 ild, 6" x 36 ild) with the 14 ild topper on it.

Top to bottom:

2" - 14 ild - $314  - Sleep like a bear

2" - 19 ild - $314  - Sleep like a bear

2" - 28 ild - $204  - Myfoammattress.com

3" - 36 ild - $305  - Myfoammattress.com

cover: 10" terrycloth - $85 - Foambymail

foundation: EZ-sleep - $215 - bedinabox.com

Total: $1437

My concerns are:

1.  Will the 3" 36ild base be comparable to the 6" base in the Nutrition, or will it be too little support? My wife and I are about 150 lbs, side sleepers. I figure SleepEZ and Flobeds use 3" base cores, so it should work.

2.  Is myfoammattress.com a reputable place to buy from? Prices are good, its Latex International talalay, but not much other info on them.

Any comments appreciated - thanks!

This message was modified Jun 26, 2011 by proof1st
Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #6 Jun 28, 2011 3:33 PM
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I would trust what people on this forum have to say about the ebay sellers.  The ebay seller ratings provide instant feedback gratification: the product was as expected, etc, but it doesn't tell you about the long term quality of the product.

I would say that the mattress you propose looks soft to me.  Can you really purchse 14 ILD latex?  I have read in a couple of places (sorry I don't have any references) that soft Talalay is not durable, which is why many places don't sell it.  But with layers, you can always replace what you don't like or what degrades easily.  As you state, you might waht more support on the lower layers.  A good support base is essential. 

The vendors you mention in your post all seem like they have good reviews on this forum.

 

Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #7 Jun 28, 2011 4:37 PM
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sleepswithcats wrote:

 

 

I would trust what people on this forum have to say about the ebay sellers.


I would say that the mattress you propose looks soft to me.  Can you really purchse 14 ILD latex?  I have read in a couple of places (sorry I don't have any references) that soft Talalay is not durable, which is why many places don't sell it.  But with layers, you can always replace what you don't like or what degrades easily. 

 


This forum has been my greatest resource in this project, for sure! Definitely won my trust as the best info out there on the topic. It's just a small sample size as far as experience with that seller, so I'm hoping to draw out some more info to help me make the call. And I don't think anyone has addressed this specific concern. What Shawn at SleepEZ told me heightened that concern for me.  I'm sure the product may look perfect, with no way of telling whether it's used. Just something I have to decide  - whether the risk is worth the cost savings.

This configuration above is basically a SleepEZ 10,000 S/M/F setup with a 14 ILD topper on it. I'm thinking it will be firmer than the Nutrition, but pretty close. With split cores I can rearrange layers if I need to.

You can get 14 ild latex from many vendors, including Sleeplikeabear and Pure latex bliss. I've tried the PLB one and love the feel. At SleepEZ they say they stopped using anything lower than 22 because of the potential to form impressions. I'm going for it with the understanding that, like you said, I can replace a layer if I need to. Better than the whole mattress!

Thats another reason I dont want the Nutrition itself - the layers in that bed are glued together.

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Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #8 Jun 29, 2011 5:06 PM
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For what its worth, I asked Shawn at Sleepez what he recommended for a cover when using split cores, and he says that all you need to do when using the stretch cover is make sure the top layer is 1-piece, not a split layer, to eliminate feeling the seam. He says there wouldnt be any movement of layers since they are rubber, and heavy, they cling together and stay in place.

So i guess the one-piece 14ild layer should do the trick in my configuration.

This message was modified Jun 29, 2011 by proof1st
Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #9 Jul 1, 2011 10:16 PM
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I've decided against the ebay route. Just can't take that kind of risk, just to save a buck. My gut tells me that at least some used cores make it into these sellers inventories.

I'm going to step into this slowly - I have a 3" Rejuvenite plush topper (19 ild) on the way, which I will try on top of my current spring mattress and see how that works for a few weeks, then I'll deciding whether I want more softness on top or not.

Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #10 Jul 2, 2011 1:18 AM
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Proof1st, I think that's a wise plan.  I try not to be pennywise and pound foolish either!  Let us know how it turns out.

 

Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #11 Jul 2, 2011 7:45 PM
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My experience is that anything over 2 inches in soft (for me that would be 24 ild and below) caused lower back pain.  I weigh less than you though at 120 pounds, so that probably factors into it.  But I would be wary of using any more than 3 inches of soft latex.  Good idea to buy in increments!
Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #12 Jul 6, 2011 3:07 PM
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Not to hijack the thread however, are their other foam solutions that would allow folks to construct a good mattress utilizing latex and these other foams types? Could these types be used for the firmness and the latex (money side) be used for the top half or third of the mattress?

Thanks

Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #13 Jul 7, 2011 6:15 PM
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timby wrote:

Not to hijack the thread however, are their other foam solutions that would allow folks to construct a good mattress utilizing latex and these other foams types? Could these types be used for the firmness and the latex (money side) be used for the top half or third of the mattress?

Thanks


Many use a PU foam as the base layer. You can definitely cut costs that way. FBM sells high density foam that would work fine - I think the expectation is that it will not last as long, but it is still doable.

Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #14 Jul 8, 2011 5:30 PM
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You might want to try memory foam for the top layer instead of latex.  We use 2 layers of latex and one layer of memory foam on top with no mattress cover and don't have any problems with movement of the layers.
Re: Any advice on this DIY latex setup?
Reply #15 Jul 8, 2011 11:40 PM
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I think your plan is basically sound, but like others I wonder if you might not have too much soft latex on top.

I'm not really sure because I've never tried latex that soft. But I know that in general, more than 2" of too-soft material on top causes me to have lower back pain. Your mileage may vary.

I think the 3" foam base will be enough, due to the 3" of 28ILD you have on top of that.

As to the question about using other cheaper foams for a base, that is certainly do-able. I used to use HR foam bases with latex on top. I felt that the HR* (similar to HD, not sure what the difference is, both are high quality pu foams) foam gave out much quicker than it is "supposed to". It's rated for 10 years but I felt it was losing it's spring even after just a couple years. But I'd say if you can get it super cheap then it's worth it to just replace it every couple of years. There is also the factor that HR foam just FEELS different than latex. Not necessarily worse, just different.