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I weight over 300 lbs and I am 6' 1", my wife weighs around 220 lbs and is 5' 3". If we choose a latex mattress where the layers on the first side are Xfirm/firm/medium and the second side Firm/medium/soft in Dunlop and compare it to a mattress configured the same firmness layers in Talalay would one be more likely to take a permanent impression then the other in a given time frame? The assumption is that the Talalay and Dunlop are both from a quality source and neither are of suspect origin.
I am asking this as I am getting radically different answers from on-line vendors some of who's products have consistently good reviews on this forum; leading me to believer they are not flakes or fly-by-night operations. Specifically it was noted that in this configuration my wifes side, based on the soft upper layers, would take an impression in as little as 3 to 4 years if we went with Talalay whereas the Dunlop would not.
So I would appreciate feedback from anyone that has owned for at least several years a Dunlop or Talalay mattresses in a softer firmness layer and is a larger person.
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Both Dunlop and Talalay are a process that has nothing to do with what kind of rubber is used. Both can and do use NR (natural) and SBR (synthetic) and blends. Sapsa, the largest Dunlop manufacturer in the world used to be completely SBR and even now is mostly SBR. There are many Dunlop blends just like there are natural Talalays. Phoenix |
| have a good look what sbr rubber does to your body, (eg lukemia.) talalay has soo many voc's in it it isn't funny. the BEST latex in the world is produced in Christchurch New zealand and it is called LATEX GOLD period. Talalay is 30% rubber and 70% fillers and stabilizers. latex gold is 96% natural rubber. i would have latex gold made under the dunlop process and i have had talalay. i got hot and sweaty in talalay but not in latex gold. oh by the way i run a the biggest bed retail chain here in australia, so i can tell you we have zero customer complaints from latex matts. i cant say the same for innerspring or memory foam beds. |
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Sigh ... I wonder what it is that causes some mattress salespeople to avoid any reasonable discussion ... misrepresent facts ... ignore what was said to them ... and overpromote what they are selling without any knowledge of the alternatives that exist in this big wide world. So sad. Phoenix |
| thats a good case of the pot calling the kettle black my friend. fact is talalay is full of styrene and latex gold isnt. therefore dunlop process latex will widthstand more abuse and bounce back because it has a higher percentage of rubber than talalay latex does. oh by the way i have 30 yeras experience in the bedding industry and i sleep on latex gold (dunlop) process, how long have you been in the industry?? bioman you have nailed it go with your instincts you are right. |
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bedsrus wrote: thats a good case of the pot calling the kettle black my friend. fact is talalay is full of styrene and latex gold isnt. therefore dunlop process latex will widthstand more abuse and bounce back because it has a higher percentage of rubber than talalay latex does. oh by the way i have 30 yeras experience in the bedding industry and i sleep on latex gold (dunlop) process, how long have you been in the industry?? bioman you have nailed it go with your instincts you are right. Styrene and butadiene are classified as VOC's however once they have been polymerized they are completely stable, if blended latex is washed correctly none of the un reacted SBR will remain in the product (or VERY little). You are right in saying that Dunlop would be in theory (in some cases) the most pure natural rubber possible, however Talalay is available with ZERO SBR content. It is not all blended product. Dunlop can also be the WORST latex around if made to really low standards. There are so many variables that it really isn't good discussion (or helpful) to label one as being superior to the other as a rule. I can tell you that over here in NA I am probably one of the few that believes that dunlop (if made to really high standards) can be the best rubber around, however if you guys have literally had zero complaints on latex mattresses over the years then you haven't sold that many latex mattresses. This message was modified Dec 10, 2010 by budgy
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Did you know that Sleepyhead, the company that owns BedsRus, also owns New Zealand Foam Latex that makes Latex gold, and Dunlop foams which manufactures Polyfoams. They have just purchased the rights to the Dunlopillo brand in Australia/NZ. Dunlopillo ... now a sister company to the one you work for makes .... you guessed it ... 100% NR Talalay latex mattresses ... No SBR. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1011/S00014/sleepyhead-announces-major-australian-acquisition.htm Phoenix This message was modified Dec 10, 2010 by Phoenix
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| mate they still have voc's in them, even if the "stabilize" i would'nt trust them, they are a catergory3 carcinogen. where does the chemical in them miraculaously disappear to??? fact is you are getting more for your money with dunlop process latex than talalay. and yes we have sold a huge amount of latex here in australia, and no we havent had any service/comfort issues with our latex. |
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bedsrus wrote: mate they still have voc's in them, even if the "stabilize" i would'nt trust them, they are a catergory3 carcinogen. where does the chemical in them miraculaously disappear to??? fact is you are getting more for your money with dunlop process latex than talalay. and yes we have sold a huge amount of latex here in australia, and no we havent had any service/comfort issues with our latex. Its one thing to have your opinion on what is the better product, but if you talk so negatively about other product when ignoring the chemistry of all involved then it just sounds biased. Personally I agree that I would rather sleep on natural rubber, but its more so the other benefits that natural rubber present, there are not exactly huge negatives to SBR blended latex, and it is less expensive, so provides people with better priced alternatives. This message was modified Dec 10, 2010 by budgy
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Phoenix wrote: Did you know that Sleepyhead, the company that owns BedsRus, also owns New Zealand Foam Latex that makes Latex gold, and Dunlop foams which manufactures Polyfoams. They have just purchased the rights to the Dunlopillo brand in Australia/NZ. Dunlopillo ... now a sister company to the one you work for makes .... you guessed it ... 100% NR Talalay latex mattresses ... No SBR.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1011/S00014/sleepyhead-announces-major-australian-acquisition.htm Phoenix |
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Appreciate everyones thoughts, opinions and willingness to help a neophyte. I will continue to try out mattresses as time and geography permits...although the thought occurs to me that short of sleeping in a factory or showroom for a week (I'm not sure anyone would let me, and even if someone would I am not sure I would want to :) ) I wont know how my body will react to a given mattress. So as of this point that will likely mean either a vendor in Texas who has a VERY VERY liberal return policy and or a lot of patience for customizing; or an on-line provider with a 90 day return policy which would allow me to move from bed type to bed type until I hit it right.
I have been systematically going through a lot of the past threads and there are a lot of champions for a lot of specific brands. I read this in a positive context as it tells me I have a good shot at being happy, if I am just willing to persevere and not expect the first or even the second attempt to be a home run.
I really appreciated a recent post by Phoenix about the adjustable bed approach. It got me thinking along less traditional lines. The wife and I had a discussion. I pointed out that when all is said and done we just may end up liking very different bed construction approaches; so our to date approach of buying a shared mattress may not be best. Also, we tried an adjustable years ago, and thought it had some clear advantages but at the time the cost was out of our reach. Back in the when they also tended to look more like hospital beds which turned us off a bit also.
So what we arrived at is this. Why not get two Twin-xl adjustable bases, then each pick the mattress technology that suites us best with the caveat that we look to keep the mattresses around the same height for practicality purposes. This would give us a much more personalized and less of a settle for approach in trying to accommodate each other. Also, we would have the clear benefits of an adjustable with future flexibility for our bodies needs changing.
Anyways we went out earlier today, tried out a latex mattress on an adjustable base and are both very pleased with the overall feel and flexibility.
The journey continues............
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